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No, the creation of the Soviet Union was a disaster of unimaginable scale. It simply had to end at some time, because it was corrupt and the economy inefficient

No, the creation of the Soviet Union was a disaster of unimaginable scale. It simply had to end at some time, because it was corrupt and the economy inefficient in every way and morally bankrupt. The forced annexation of other countries and deportations of nations inside the SU were horrible crimes. Do you suggest that the soviet union should not have collapsed?

formerly_proven 5y ago
> Do you suggest that the soviet union should not have collapsed? Perhaps it could have collapsed in a better way?
- nickpp 5y ago
  It killed much fewer people collapsing than it killed when existing. So it collapsed in a pretty good way, considering the alternatives.
  - meepmorp 5y ago
    I think there were ways for the Soviet Union to have gone away that didn’t involve Russia (and to varying extents, the other states) becoming the kleptocracy it is now.
    - nickpp 5y ago
      I also think there were ways it could have gone away while killing millions. And I am not exaggerating: while living through the collapse our parents kissed us kids goodbye and sent us to the country side. They fully expected the communist apparatchiks to shoot protesters point blank in the streets. And it some cases, they did. Let’s just be glad it went away and pray it never returns: it was one of the greatest horrors this Earth has ever seen.
      - baybal2 5y ago
        > Let’s just be glad it went away and pray it never returns This optimism is very premature. CPSU has morphed into Russian mafia, and the current Russian Kleptostate, and ChiComs... well just turn on the news any day.
    - baybal2 5y ago
      > I think there were ways for the Soviet Union to have gone away that didn’t involve Russia (and to varying extents, the other states) becoming the kleptocracy it is now. It was, and rather violent: go, and cleanse the remnants of the old system. A missed opportunity now. Instead, people let them live for them just to come back in 9 years time.
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formerly_proven 5y ago

> Do you suggest that the soviet union should not have collapsed? Perhaps it could have collapsed in a better way?

nickpp 5y ago
It killed much fewer people collapsing than it killed when existing. So it collapsed in a pretty good way, considering the alternatives.
- meepmorp 5y ago
  I think there were ways for the Soviet Union to have gone away that didn’t involve Russia (and to varying extents, the other states) becoming the kleptocracy it is now.
  - nickpp 5y ago
    I also think there were ways it could have gone away while killing millions. And I am not exaggerating: while living through the collapse our parents kissed us kids goodbye and sent us to the country side. They fully expected the communist apparatchiks to shoot protesters point blank in the streets. And it some cases, they did. Let’s just be glad it went away and pray it never returns: it was one of the greatest horrors this Earth has ever seen.
    - baybal2 5y ago
      > Let’s just be glad it went away and pray it never returns This optimism is very premature. CPSU has morphed into Russian mafia, and the current Russian Kleptostate, and ChiComs... well just turn on the news any day.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    > I think there were ways for the Soviet Union to have gone away that didn’t involve Russia (and to varying extents, the other states) becoming the kleptocracy it is now. It was, and rather violent: go, and cleanse the remnants of the old system. A missed opportunity now. Instead, people let them live for them just to come back in 9 years time.

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