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I do understand the concept. You have not changed my understanding with this description. If I am suffering a delusion, and you know that, then you know that I
by regularfry 5y ago
I do understand the concept. You have not changed my understanding with this description.
If I am suffering a delusion, and you know that, then you know that I am not mentally competent. You know that, if I agree to something, I do not correctly understand what I am agreeing to. Any expression of consent you extract from me is invalid.
- thatguy0900 5y agoThis seems extreme. You are consenting to be deluded, knowing everything that will come afterwards. And the consenting during as well
- regularfry 5y agoBut you don't know everything that will come afterwards. You know what's planned. The consent during cannot be valid. It's not informed: in fact it's specifically misled, and that is known to the other participant.
- thatguy0900 5y agoSo you are saying there is no way for two willing, informed adults to consent to this happening?
- regularfry 5y agoYes. That is what I'm saying. If consent needs to both informed and continuous, it's not possible. It's fundamentally broken.
- peteretep 5y agoYes, that’s why you’d get consent before hand
- regularfry 5y agoConsent beforehand doesn't bind or imply consent during the act. If you're saying consent beforehand counts, you're saying that it's not possible for anything to happen that would cause me to change my mind if I was in a mentally competent state.