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Isn’t 2 weeks the standard within the US? If you’d like longer vacations then Europe is your best bet

sokoloff 5y ago
Standard for many companies? Probably. For tech? I don't think so. We start at 10 days the company picks (the typical ones) plus 19 days that "you pick"* and add 1 day per year of tenure for the first 5 years and that feels "competitive but not exceptional" for tech to me. We also offer an additional 4 weeks (contiguous) once every 5 years, which is not standard for tech and is an enjoyable perq. * - plus sick time which you aren’t paid out if you’re fortunate enough to not need to use, plus parental leave
detaro 5y ago
In a discussion of "it's so hard to attract employees", you probably should consider doing things that are better than "standard".
tommypalm 5y ago
20 days is standard in the UK but most companies will give you 25. Some also give you the option to buy more.
lacksconfidence 5y ago
Not in tech. We aren't anything special and we start with ~30 days holiday + vacation on day 1, up to 49 after a decade.
ska 5y ago
It's a pretty standard thing (US) to start with for entry level jobs. What the GP is claiming that is that policies that: "everyone starts here with 2 weeks, you get a 3rd week after N years, a 4th after M" are kind of bs for senior employees. They have a point; this rarely applies to senior management, for example - and effectively you are asking people to take a major quality-of-life hit when changing jobs. This can lead to conversations like: "You've asked for N weeks vacation but policy is strict everyone starts here with 2 weeks". "I can probably live with that for an extra X k/year." ... "We can do N weeks". I think in tech 2 week is becoming rare though. More likely either longer, or so-called "unlimited" (which itself is nonsense). The more weird thing I find in US corporate culture is a tendency to not take the vacation you are allotted. In some countries this is legally at least problematic, in the US it's sometimes a badge of honor.
- LanceH 5y ago
  Three weeks is becoming pretty normal. A lot of places like to combine that with holidays and say 25 days (standard US is 10 holidays). At most small places where HR is flexible, the PTO package is highly negotiable and I usually leave that to last and tack on an extra week, as they know they want me by that point and it doesn't cost them anything extra. The conversation does go like you describe at some places, but others are absolutely rigid. One place where I actually accepted an offer, they increased everyone's vacation after my negotiations (small company). That has to be the most goodwill I've had when joining a team of people I didn't know. But you're right, I never say now. I price it all accordingly, so they can say no.
cpach 5y ago
My impression is that allowed vacation days has increased a lot in US tech companies over the past 10-15 years. Salaries and bonuses too.

Standard for many companies? Probably. For tech? I don't think so. We start at 10 days the company picks (the typical ones) plus 19 days that "you pick"* and add 1 day per year of tenure for the first 5 years and that feels "competitive but not exceptional" for tech to me. We also offer an additional 4 weeks (contiguous) once every 5 years, which is not standard for tech and is an enjoyable perq. * - plus sick time which you aren’t paid out if you’re fortunate enough to not need to use, plus parental leave

detaro 5y ago

In a discussion of "it's so hard to attract employees", you probably should consider doing things that are better than "standard".

tommypalm 5y ago

20 days is standard in the UK but most companies will give you 25. Some also give you the option to buy more.

lacksconfidence 5y ago

Not in tech. We aren't anything special and we start with ~30 days holiday + vacation on day 1, up to 49 after a decade.

ska 5y ago

It's a pretty standard thing (US) to start with for entry level jobs. What the GP is claiming that is that policies that: "everyone starts here with 2 weeks, you get a 3rd week after N years, a 4th after M" are kind of bs for senior employees. They have a point; this rarely applies to senior management, for example - and effectively you are asking people to take a major quality-of-life hit when changing jobs. This can lead to conversations like: "You've asked for N weeks vacation but policy is strict everyone starts here with 2 weeks". "I can probably live with that for an extra X k/year." ... "We can do N weeks". I think in tech 2 week is becoming rare though. More likely either longer, or so-called "unlimited" (which itself is nonsense). The more weird thing I find in US corporate culture is a tendency to not take the vacation you are allotted. In some countries this is legally at least problematic, in the US it's sometimes a badge of honor.

LanceH 5y ago
Three weeks is becoming pretty normal. A lot of places like to combine that with holidays and say 25 days (standard US is 10 holidays). At most small places where HR is flexible, the PTO package is highly negotiable and I usually leave that to last and tack on an extra week, as they know they want me by that point and it doesn't cost them anything extra. The conversation does go like you describe at some places, but others are absolutely rigid. One place where I actually accepted an offer, they increased everyone's vacation after my negotiations (small company). That has to be the most goodwill I've had when joining a team of people I didn't know. But you're right, I never say now. I price it all accordingly, so they can say no.

cpach 5y ago

My impression is that allowed vacation days has increased a lot in US tech companies over the past 10-15 years. Salaries and bonuses too.