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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by human biodiversity. As for the others on your list, non-alt-right people (cf. non-alt-right sites) might be more incline

by wxnx 5y ago

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by human biodiversity. As for the others on your list, non-alt-right people (cf. non-alt-right sites) might be more inclined to discuss (cf. host discussions about) these "facts" if their primary use wasn't to be woven into otherwise fictional narratives claiming to be coherent justifications of racism and homophobia.

young_unixer 5y ago
> these "facts" if their primary use wasn't to be woven into otherwise fictional narratives claiming to be coherent justifications of racism and homophobia. So, the same thing mainstream society has been doing for the last 6 years, just for different races and groups? If they criticized things like Outreachy (which literally discriminates people based on race and gender [1]) with the same energy that they criticize the "alt-right" then I would believe them. Otherwise it's just hypocrisy. [1] https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/ https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/
- throwaway8581 5y ago
  Those are alt-right facts is just a defense mechanism for people to avoid confronting the contradictions in their own belief system. None of this is driven by reason, at least not the logic of the truth of the matters allegedly being examined. It's all about the logic of identity and social status. It is high status to believe in magical equality. It is low status to acknowledge human biodiversity. The idea of settling important questions through mass society, mass media, mass democracy is more laughable every day.
  - burnished 5y ago
    Nah. There was quite recently a very interesting article about personality differences across sex on this very website. But being suuper interested in "human biodiversity" without going through the upfront pain of explaining to the reader that you aren't trying to rehash a lot of old racist garbage is, well, a huge red flag.
    - concordDance 5y ago
      Also, there are actual HBD blogs and communities and they're frankly pretty uninterested in the african-american vs european-american thing and far more interested in the movements and traits of all sorts of obscure people groups I've never heard of. While also being interested in things your typical white supremicist wouldn't think about like differences between Scottish and South-Western English peoples.
      - throwaway8581 5y ago
        I would also not publish in areas that would lead to complete ostracization from academia.
  - contradict 5y ago
    I agree with you, here is a good paper for hereditarianism if anyone wants to learn more https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886920301045 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188692...

by wxnx 5y ago

young_unixer 5y ago

> these "facts" if their primary use wasn't to be woven into otherwise fictional narratives claiming to be coherent justifications of racism and homophobia. So, the same thing mainstream society has been doing for the last 6 years, just for different races and groups? If they criticized things like Outreachy (which literally discriminates people based on race and gender [1]) with the same energy that they criticize the "alt-right" then I would believe them. Otherwise it's just hypocrisy. [1] https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/ https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/

throwaway8581 5y ago
Those are alt-right facts is just a defense mechanism for people to avoid confronting the contradictions in their own belief system. None of this is driven by reason, at least not the logic of the truth of the matters allegedly being examined. It's all about the logic of identity and social status. It is high status to believe in magical equality. It is low status to acknowledge human biodiversity. The idea of settling important questions through mass society, mass media, mass democracy is more laughable every day.
- burnished 5y ago
  Nah. There was quite recently a very interesting article about personality differences across sex on this very website. But being suuper interested in "human biodiversity" without going through the upfront pain of explaining to the reader that you aren't trying to rehash a lot of old racist garbage is, well, a huge red flag.
  - concordDance 5y ago
    Also, there are actual HBD blogs and communities and they're frankly pretty uninterested in the african-american vs european-american thing and far more interested in the movements and traits of all sorts of obscure people groups I've never heard of. While also being interested in things your typical white supremicist wouldn't think about like differences between Scottish and South-Western English peoples.
    - throwaway8581 5y ago
      I would also not publish in areas that would lead to complete ostracization from academia.
- contradict 5y ago
  I agree with you, here is a good paper for hereditarianism if anyone wants to learn more https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886920301045 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188692...