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> HTML5 (which is now called Progressive Web Apps / PWA) This is clear gaslighting and is verifiably false. Progressive Web Apps is a Google thing, coined by a

by waon 5y ago

> HTML5 (which is now called Progressive Web Apps / PWA) This is clear gaslighting and is verifiably false. Progressive Web Apps is a Google thing, coined by a Google engineer[1] and promoted by Google[2]. The HTML living standard does not include a single mention of the term[3]. [1]: https://infrequently.org/2015/06/progressive-apps-escaping-tabs-without-losing-our-soul/ https://infrequently.org/2015/06/progressive-apps-escaping-t... [2]: https://web.dev/progressive-web-apps/ https://web.dev/progressive-web-apps/ [3]: https://github.com/whatwg/html/search?q=progressive+web+app&type= https://github.com/whatwg/html/search?q=progressive+web+app&...

max_ 5y ago
"Progressive Web Apps" comes from the notion of "Progressive Enhancement" [0] as opposed to "Glorious Degradation" And its a very old concept in web design. HTML5, PE & PWA is all the same thing. Just an evolution of standard practices & terminology. [0]: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/progressive-enhancement-what-it-is-and-how-to-use-it/ https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/progressive-enhance...
kristiandupont 5y ago
>This is clear gaslighting Please don't destroy the term gaslighting. It means something very important and not at all what you are using it for here.
- waon 5y ago
  It's subtle misinformation that's designed to change how people unconsciously perceive PWAs. When people bring up PWAs, they commonly refer to a particular set of APIs which has a tendency of mainly being a Google-driven effort. GP is muddying the waters by instead framing it as the HTML spec itself and implying it's official. If this isn't a clear case of gaslighting, I don't know what is.
  - kristiandupont 5y ago
    This is ridiculous. Is the term PWA also "designed" to make me question my own sanity, which is a key component in gaslighting?
  - axiomattik 5y ago
    I'd argue this is a lie and not an example of gaslighting. A lie is simply stating something that is not true. In this case, stating that HTML5 is synonymous to PWAs. Gaslighting is an attempt to undermine an individual's (or perhaps even a group's) certainty that they are able to perceive reality correctly. It's essentially an effort to make someone question their own sanity. Lying is a tool that may be used as part of this effort, but it is not the only method of gaslighting. It's also possible to lie without gaslighting. Speaking mis-truths may happen accidentally. But trying to cause someone to believe something that isn't true, isn't necessarily or inherently an attack on their trust in their own ability to perceive the world. In this case, I can't see any indication that the goal is to cause anyone to feel insane.
  - banachtarski 5y ago
    > ... I don't know what is
- BoDlulu 5y ago
  Please don't destroy the term "destroy". It means something very important and not at all what you are using it for here.

by waon 5y ago

max_ 5y ago

"Progressive Web Apps" comes from the notion of "Progressive Enhancement" [0] as opposed to "Glorious Degradation" And its a very old concept in web design. HTML5, PE & PWA is all the same thing. Just an evolution of standard practices & terminology. [0]: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/progressive-enhancement-what-it-is-and-how-to-use-it/ https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/progressive-enhance...

kristiandupont 5y ago

>This is clear gaslighting Please don't destroy the term gaslighting. It means something very important and not at all what you are using it for here.

waon 5y ago
It's subtle misinformation that's designed to change how people unconsciously perceive PWAs. When people bring up PWAs, they commonly refer to a particular set of APIs which has a tendency of mainly being a Google-driven effort. GP is muddying the waters by instead framing it as the HTML spec itself and implying it's official. If this isn't a clear case of gaslighting, I don't know what is.
- kristiandupont 5y ago
  This is ridiculous. Is the term PWA also "designed" to make me question my own sanity, which is a key component in gaslighting?
- axiomattik 5y ago
  I'd argue this is a lie and not an example of gaslighting. A lie is simply stating something that is not true. In this case, stating that HTML5 is synonymous to PWAs. Gaslighting is an attempt to undermine an individual's (or perhaps even a group's) certainty that they are able to perceive reality correctly. It's essentially an effort to make someone question their own sanity. Lying is a tool that may be used as part of this effort, but it is not the only method of gaslighting. It's also possible to lie without gaslighting. Speaking mis-truths may happen accidentally. But trying to cause someone to believe something that isn't true, isn't necessarily or inherently an attack on their trust in their own ability to perceive the world. In this case, I can't see any indication that the goal is to cause anyone to feel insane.
- banachtarski 5y ago
  > ... I don't know what is
BoDlulu 5y ago
Please don't destroy the term "destroy". It means something very important and not at all what you are using it for here.