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Of course Apple wants their cut, but you know offering services and getting paid is not a dirty thing, is it? Everyone keeps talking about how they "intentiona

by slver 5y ago

Of course Apple wants their cut, but you know offering services and getting paid is not a dirty thing, is it? Everyone keeps talking about how they "intentionally hamstring PWAs". They kicked off HTML5, remember? They shipped the first real web browser on a phone, remember? Now they chose to implement some Google-pioneered APIs selectively to preserve UX, performance and privacy and everyone is up in arms. As a web developer I never felt Safari lacks something I really need. As an app developer, Swift is possibly the best dev experience I've ever had, next to C#. All this is about letting people comfortable hacking everything in HTML to make "apps". Well I wish I could contribute to the Linux Kernel with my HTML apps, why not? Why is Linus hamstringing PWAs, ffs. /s

Jochim 5y ago
> Of course Apple wants their cut, but you know offering services and getting paid is not a dirty thing, is it? I'd argue that forcing someone to use your service by preventing others from offering the functionality and handicapping your own implementation is in fact a dirty thing. They get their cut when someone purchases an iPhone. > Everyone keeps talking about how they "intentionally hamstring PWAs". They kicked off HTML5, remember? They shipped the first real web browser on a phone, remember? So what? They didn't launch with the app store, and since it was introduced they appear more and more hostile to the changes they helped kick off. According to others in the thread they won't even allow webapps to send notifications, a fairly basic/fundamental feature of mobile phones. Elsewhere people go into further detail on how Safari's storage APIs are released buggy and broken. > All this is about letting people comfortable hacking everything in HTML to make "apps". Well I wish I could contribute to the Linux Kernel with my HTML apps, why not? Why is Linus hamstringing PWAs, ffs. /s This is a total mischaracterisation of what people are asking for which is simply to allow applications delivered through a web browser greater parity with native applications. I work on a b2b web application and being able to store larger amounts of data on the client with user permission would be fantastic for both performance and user convenience.
- slver 5y ago
  It would be fantastic for the user. But you can’t be bothered wrapping it in an app. I guess either it’s not fantastic enough, or we’re missing something.
  - Jochim 5y ago
    Because you're not simply "wrapping it in an app". You're now paying rent to Apple for the privilege of wrapping your otherwise perfectly functional application in an app.

by slver 5y ago

Jochim 5y ago

> Of course Apple wants their cut, but you know offering services and getting paid is not a dirty thing, is it? I'd argue that forcing someone to use your service by preventing others from offering the functionality and handicapping your own implementation is in fact a dirty thing. They get their cut when someone purchases an iPhone. > Everyone keeps talking about how they "intentionally hamstring PWAs". They kicked off HTML5, remember? They shipped the first real web browser on a phone, remember? So what? They didn't launch with the app store, and since it was introduced they appear more and more hostile to the changes they helped kick off. According to others in the thread they won't even allow webapps to send notifications, a fairly basic/fundamental feature of mobile phones. Elsewhere people go into further detail on how Safari's storage APIs are released buggy and broken. > All this is about letting people comfortable hacking everything in HTML to make "apps". Well I wish I could contribute to the Linux Kernel with my HTML apps, why not? Why is Linus hamstringing PWAs, ffs. /s This is a total mischaracterisation of what people are asking for which is simply to allow applications delivered through a web browser greater parity with native applications. I work on a b2b web application and being able to store larger amounts of data on the client with user permission would be fantastic for both performance and user convenience.

slver 5y ago
It would be fantastic for the user. But you can’t be bothered wrapping it in an app. I guess either it’s not fantastic enough, or we’re missing something.
- Jochim 5y ago
  Because you're not simply "wrapping it in an app". You're now paying rent to Apple for the privilege of wrapping your otherwise perfectly functional application in an app.