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Well, Trumps actions would have been self-serving and cynical (as they all were). Biden hasn't shown those 'qualities'. Which is why I (and the WHO) give him th

by Tarsul 5y ago

Well, Trumps actions would have been self-serving and cynical (as they all were). Biden hasn't shown those 'qualities'. Which is why I (and the WHO) give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.

zo1 5y ago
But somehow some random "throwaway" account on a forum has more info than all of Biden's advisers? "Benefit of the doubt" is just a cover. We must assume competence and intent on the administration's part and hold them accountable for it (or give them credit), otherwise we're letting our bias/favoritism show through.
- true_religion 5y ago
  Let's be fair. We all gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. It was only after years of broken promises, and angry outbursts that some people turned against him by default. Give Biden at least 1 year, and you'll see that some people are reflexively critical of him too.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    Centrist voters may have given him some benefit of the doubt, but the news media never did and were never going to. Conservatives knew that ahead of time, which is why they voted for someone prone to angry outbursts. Biden isn't exactly an outsider, and is just the face for scores of actual decision-makers in his administration; I don't think one more year is going to surprise anybody.
    - true_religion 5y ago
      The news media is largely conservative. Over 50% of people in the US watch Fox news. Now, granted, Murdoch wasn't always in favor of Trump, he still fell into line after the guy got elected.
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  - miked85 5y ago
    > We all gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. Seriously? Nothing of the sort happened. There was constant negative media and calls for impeachment immediately.
    - machinebun 5y ago
      Let me remind you, in case you forgot, that the Muslim ban EO happened 7 days into Trump's tenure (as well as shithole countries remark). That's about all the "chance" I was prepared to give. If that's how you lead foreign policy 7 days in, you don't deserve to be president. Full stop.
      - lordloki 5y ago
        By "Muslim ban" you mean the travel restrictions of on citizens of the seven countries that Barak Obama also had restrictions on? It wasn't a muslim ban as nowhere in the language or practice did it ban muslims form entering the US. It restricted entry from people from seven countries that were listed by the Obama administration as having high rates of terrorist links. Hillary Clinton would likely have taken the same step if she had become president.
        tebuevd 5y ago
        you realize under Trump, it was a blanket ban on all entry? that definitely wasn't the case under Obama.

by Tarsul 5y ago

Well, Trumps actions would have been self-serving and cynical (as they all were). Biden hasn't shown those 'qualities'. Which is why I (and the WHO) give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.

zo1 5y ago

But somehow some random "throwaway" account on a forum has more info than all of Biden's advisers? "Benefit of the doubt" is just a cover. We must assume competence and intent on the administration's part and hold them accountable for it (or give them credit), otherwise we're letting our bias/favoritism show through.

true_religion 5y ago
Let's be fair. We all gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. It was only after years of broken promises, and angry outbursts that some people turned against him by default. Give Biden at least 1 year, and you'll see that some people are reflexively critical of him too.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Centrist voters may have given him some benefit of the doubt, but the news media never did and were never going to. Conservatives knew that ahead of time, which is why they voted for someone prone to angry outbursts. Biden isn't exactly an outsider, and is just the face for scores of actual decision-makers in his administration; I don't think one more year is going to surprise anybody.
  - true_religion 5y ago
    The news media is largely conservative. Over 50% of people in the US watch Fox news. Now, granted, Murdoch wasn't always in favor of Trump, he still fell into line after the guy got elected.
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- miked85 5y ago
  > We all gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. Seriously? Nothing of the sort happened. There was constant negative media and calls for impeachment immediately.
  - machinebun 5y ago
    Let me remind you, in case you forgot, that the Muslim ban EO happened 7 days into Trump's tenure (as well as shithole countries remark). That's about all the "chance" I was prepared to give. If that's how you lead foreign policy 7 days in, you don't deserve to be president. Full stop.
    - lordloki 5y ago
      By "Muslim ban" you mean the travel restrictions of on citizens of the seven countries that Barak Obama also had restrictions on? It wasn't a muslim ban as nowhere in the language or practice did it ban muslims form entering the US. It restricted entry from people from seven countries that were listed by the Obama administration as having high rates of terrorist links. Hillary Clinton would likely have taken the same step if she had become president.
      - tebuevd 5y ago
        you realize under Trump, it was a blanket ban on all entry? that definitely wasn't the case under Obama.