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Let be clear here though - usually the "alt-right" viewpoints that people are (supposedly) fired for are... violent, or call for discrimination or other things

Let be clear here though - usually the "alt-right" viewpoints that people are (supposedly) fired for are... violent, or call for discrimination or other things like that. There's no huge threat of people being fired for wanting less regulation on companies.

syshum 6y ago
You say that but I have been called racist, and other *ist's for my basic libertarian views Also there are huge sections of the population (some even on this very forum) that believe calls for deregulation, less government spending, reduction in social programs, etc are "violence" Also people seem to bend over backwards to excuse the real and actual violence that occurs and is supported in authoritarian left circles, pushing the narrative as you have that violence only occurs on the right
capableweb 6y ago
As I don't myself move around in those circles a lot, I can't say "usually" or "typically" because I don't have any insight in those parts. Since you are of a very black & white impression of a large swaths of people, I'm assuming you're in the same boat as me.
- madeofpalk 6y ago
  What are those wholesome alt-right viewpoints?
  - capableweb 6y ago
    Seems we're already getting a bit heated, as neither you nor I mentioned something about "wholesomeness" but here we are. My point is not that alt-right opinions are wholesome, but rather that since they don't have a lot of places they can write their opinions without getting overrun by opposition, it's only natural they'll retract into properties where they can freely talk. For example: If you're of the opinion that you don't think homosexuality should be legal, there is not a lot of places you could have a factual conversation about that with others, without it ending up in name-calling or huge troll wars. Now I don't agree with that opinion at all (I'm bixsexual myself), but I do agree with the right for those people to hold that opinion and being able to talk with others about this opinion, without it ending up in huge fights and drama. Guess I'm just so far in the "We can educate everyone" camp that the alternatives all seem so fucked up. Hiding people away in separate social medias just make things worse, and all this because people can't ignore others, they _have_ to say something. Just as a quick reminder before people continue the discussion, from the guidelines: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
    - coopierez 6y ago
      > I do agree with the right for those people to hold that opinion and being able to talk with others about this opinion, without it ending up in huge fights and drama. When one has the "opinion" that a group of people should be locked up for simply being who they are, then yes you should expect some backlash for that.
    - ohbleek 6y ago
      Saying homosexuality shouldn’t be legal isn’t an opinion, it’s bigotry. Viewpoints that infringe on a persons rights are not opinions, it’s discrimination. I agree people should be able to speak freely but I also believe in standards. To take another example, if somebody has the “opinion” that women shouldn’t be able to refuse their husbands sexual advances, is this discussion that is acceptable or is it bigotry? Should people be able to openly discuss their “opinion” that adults should be able to have sex with minors? What if their opinion is that they should be allowed to kill homosexuals? There is a line. Idealism only goes so far.
      - madeofpalk 6y ago
        Again, lets go back further. Should we have racial segregation? Is that an opinion that we should entertain discussion around? At the end of the day there are some viewpoints that "we" - general society - just deem to be wrong.
        gunshai 6y ago
        Understanding the futility of policing bad ideas or "wrong" ideas is capableweb's point. Whether or not society deems the idea as wrong or immoral reprehensible ect. the utterance of the words being judged as tantamount to the immoral act itself has shown to not be very helpful. This shift has ever expanded the militarized zone of topics one can't even discuss and all for what purpose? It seems like the enclaves of bad and dangerous ideas now insulated from the very influence of better information. It this not just the worst of both worlds?
      - Majestic121 6y ago
xfitm3 6y ago
You bet your ass people are getting fired for any type of right leaning ideology. Not violence, discrimination, or any other extreme viewpoint.

syshum 6y ago

You say that but I have been called racist, and other *ist's for my basic libertarian views Also there are huge sections of the population (some even on this very forum) that believe calls for deregulation, less government spending, reduction in social programs, etc are "violence" Also people seem to bend over backwards to excuse the real and actual violence that occurs and is supported in authoritarian left circles, pushing the narrative as you have that violence only occurs on the right

capableweb 6y ago

As I don't myself move around in those circles a lot, I can't say "usually" or "typically" because I don't have any insight in those parts. Since you are of a very black & white impression of a large swaths of people, I'm assuming you're in the same boat as me.

madeofpalk 6y ago
What are those wholesome alt-right viewpoints?
- capableweb 6y ago
  Seems we're already getting a bit heated, as neither you nor I mentioned something about "wholesomeness" but here we are. My point is not that alt-right opinions are wholesome, but rather that since they don't have a lot of places they can write their opinions without getting overrun by opposition, it's only natural they'll retract into properties where they can freely talk. For example: If you're of the opinion that you don't think homosexuality should be legal, there is not a lot of places you could have a factual conversation about that with others, without it ending up in name-calling or huge troll wars. Now I don't agree with that opinion at all (I'm bixsexual myself), but I do agree with the right for those people to hold that opinion and being able to talk with others about this opinion, without it ending up in huge fights and drama. Guess I'm just so far in the "We can educate everyone" camp that the alternatives all seem so fucked up. Hiding people away in separate social medias just make things worse, and all this because people can't ignore others, they _have_ to say something. Just as a quick reminder before people continue the discussion, from the guidelines: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
  - coopierez 6y ago
    > I do agree with the right for those people to hold that opinion and being able to talk with others about this opinion, without it ending up in huge fights and drama. When one has the "opinion" that a group of people should be locked up for simply being who they are, then yes you should expect some backlash for that.
  - ohbleek 6y ago
    Saying homosexuality shouldn’t be legal isn’t an opinion, it’s bigotry. Viewpoints that infringe on a persons rights are not opinions, it’s discrimination. I agree people should be able to speak freely but I also believe in standards. To take another example, if somebody has the “opinion” that women shouldn’t be able to refuse their husbands sexual advances, is this discussion that is acceptable or is it bigotry? Should people be able to openly discuss their “opinion” that adults should be able to have sex with minors? What if their opinion is that they should be allowed to kill homosexuals? There is a line. Idealism only goes so far.
    - madeofpalk 6y ago
      Again, lets go back further. Should we have racial segregation? Is that an opinion that we should entertain discussion around? At the end of the day there are some viewpoints that "we" - general society - just deem to be wrong.
      - gunshai 6y ago
        Understanding the futility of policing bad ideas or "wrong" ideas is capableweb's point. Whether or not society deems the idea as wrong or immoral reprehensible ect. the utterance of the words being judged as tantamount to the immoral act itself has shown to not be very helpful. This shift has ever expanded the militarized zone of topics one can't even discuss and all for what purpose? It seems like the enclaves of bad and dangerous ideas now insulated from the very influence of better information. It this not just the worst of both worlds?
    - Majestic121 6y ago

xfitm3 6y ago

You bet your ass people are getting fired for any type of right leaning ideology. Not violence, discrimination, or any other extreme viewpoint.