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How does this compare to https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder

by akmittal 5y ago

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BiteCode_dev 5y ago
They are alternative solutions to the same problem.
- Demiurge 5y ago
  Are they not compatible solutions? I understand if the development is very fast you want to have focus, but the goal here is performance, it seems worth to at least coordinate. I hope it happens!!
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    There are many ways to get to the same place. It's worth a shot to experiment with different approaches, they also don't have the same pros and cons. I'm sure at this level of tech they are well aware of the prior art.
forgotpwd16 5y ago
I don't understand, can't those changes be merged upstream? Edit: Also yesterday's HN discussion on Cinder https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27043217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27043217
- akmittal 5y ago
  Wondering same, as it shows full compatibility to cpython unlike Facebook implementation
  - kkirsche 5y ago
    My understanding is that can is only half the question. Yes, the changes CAN be upstreamed but my understanding (through others, so take it with a grain of salt), is that the CPython doesn’t like to take optimization changes that obscure the CPython code base. As a result, they often deny merging optimizations in favor of readability in the C codebase. Again, just my understanding and may not be 100% accurate.
  - kingmaker 5y ago
    Cinder is fully compatible with the CPython's C-API
- true_religion 5y ago
  Or better yet, why can't the two projects be combined into one? Wouldn't it be better to have two companies working on it instead of just one? Or are the implementation details too far apart?
kmod 5y ago
I'm still learning about Cinder, but my initial impression is that there are many similar techniques used, and maybe one interesting difference is that with Pyston we've focused more on out-of-the-box performance while Cinder has had an opportunity to co-optimize the runtime with a particular codebase and presumably gets better results if you're able to do that.

How does this compare to https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder

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BiteCode_dev 5y ago

They are alternative solutions to the same problem.

Demiurge 5y ago
Are they not compatible solutions? I understand if the development is very fast you want to have focus, but the goal here is performance, it seems worth to at least coordinate. I hope it happens!!
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  There are many ways to get to the same place. It's worth a shot to experiment with different approaches, they also don't have the same pros and cons. I'm sure at this level of tech they are well aware of the prior art.

forgotpwd16 5y ago

I don't understand, can't those changes be merged upstream? Edit: Also yesterday's HN discussion on Cinder https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27043217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27043217

akmittal 5y ago
Wondering same, as it shows full compatibility to cpython unlike Facebook implementation
- kkirsche 5y ago
  My understanding is that can is only half the question. Yes, the changes CAN be upstreamed but my understanding (through others, so take it with a grain of salt), is that the CPython doesn’t like to take optimization changes that obscure the CPython code base. As a result, they often deny merging optimizations in favor of readability in the C codebase. Again, just my understanding and may not be 100% accurate.
- kingmaker 5y ago
  Cinder is fully compatible with the CPython's C-API
true_religion 5y ago
Or better yet, why can't the two projects be combined into one? Wouldn't it be better to have two companies working on it instead of just one? Or are the implementation details too far apart?

kmod 5y ago

I'm still learning about Cinder, but my initial impression is that there are many similar techniques used, and maybe one interesting difference is that with Pyston we've focused more on out-of-the-box performance while Cinder has had an opportunity to co-optimize the runtime with a particular codebase and presumably gets better results if you're able to do that.