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This is a huge milestone for the Starship team and SpaceX, so massive congratulations. This was also fun to watch. Fun in part because while SpaceX had it on "
by ChuckMcM 6y ago
This is a huge milestone for the Starship team and SpaceX, so massive congratulations.
This was also fun to watch. Fun in part because while SpaceX had it on "tape delay" the enthusiast channels were showing it live. It will be fun to have them do it without the low cloud cover but I'm guessing that without the disassembly at the end they may have some on-board recordings that are recoverable.
To whomever does telemetry for these things, the frequency bands you are using are blocked by clouds. It makes it hard to keep a live signal. Ask the FCC for a temporary operating permit for 900Mhz or so. You will be much happier with the results.
I was paying close attention to the area of 'heat shield' tiles. That is the next really big hurdle. If you recall getting the grid fins on F9 to survive re-entry was a big challenge. Getting tiles that don't break because the various expansion coefficients don't match is a big challenge as well. That is critical to having enough fuel left over to stop when you get back down inside the gravity well.
It is easy to forget the scale of this thing without visual cues but its like flying skyscrapers around. They are very big. And the booster will be larger still.
Also super curious how the lunar lander version will work. That is awfully high up there, could be a long ladder down to the surface. That, and given its mass, means that when it lands on the moon the dust it kicks up will hit escape velocity[1] which will be interesting.
All in all though, so much progress in space after so much non-progress. Quite the thrill!
[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.12312 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.12312
- tigershark 6y agoIt won’t use the raptors to land on the moon.
- ChuckMcM 6y agoThe question isn't raptors or something else, the question is mass. In order to decelerate, you throw mass at high speed out the other send. That is typically a small mass (the exhaust gases) hitting the moon at a high velocity. The larger the mass you are trying to land, the more momentum you are going to transfer to the regolith and dust under the lander. As the referenced paper points out, it is pretty easy to get that stuff up to escape velocity which has it leaving the moon on its own journey into space.
- tigershark 6y agoIt will use the raptors to decelerate and hot gas trusters to land in the last 10s of metres to avoid this problem. From wiki: “ The variant will use high‑thrust oxygen- and methane-fueled thrusters located mid‑body on Starship HLS during the final "tens of meters" of the terminal lunar descent and landing to avoid plume impingement problems with the lunar regolith.” Potentially they could also brake down to 0 velocity when they switch to the thrusters and land at 0.1M/s, but they obviously won’t do that because it’s just a waste of fuel.
- aero-glide2 6y agoAstros on Lunar lander will use elevators to drop people to the surface