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I agree with this. Unfortunately, I got covid right out of the gate and should have been in the hospital. Then I lost some people, one of whom was worth a lot

I agree with this. Unfortunately, I got covid right out of the gate and should have been in the hospital. Then I lost some people, one of whom was worth a lot, and despite that still spent 40 some days on a ventilator, basically in hell, only to die pretty terribly. While all this was going on, I am surrounded by people who think it is all fake, nobody is dying, etc... I would tell about what I saw, felt and they would just ignore me, or ask me why more of that is not on the TV.

ryandrake 6y ago
Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you recovered and very sorry about the others. My own family happened to escape it but my wife lost several loved ones. > While all this was going on, I am surrounded by people who think it is all fake, nobody is dying, etc... The saddest, craziest stories are the ones who, while the tubes were going in, used their last voluntary breaths to cry “How is this happening? The virus is a hoax!” We need to have a serious reckoning with mental health in this country.
- ddingus 6y ago
  I feel your wifes loss! She OK, well connected to others and all that? That gets better, but is a thing that does stay with us, changes us. I need to be in touch often because of my own experiences. Hope she finds what she need to carry on and live well.
- ddingus 6y ago
  No doubt! I know one of those, and they made it through. It is rough. I can see them question just about everything and feeling a little lonely, due to their peer group not identifying very well with their struggle. Yeah, I had a couple loooooong nights deep breathing, eye on an oximeter. Was early enough to feel a lot of angst about going to the hospital! We were not good at treatment yet, people go in, die alone... Woke me right the fuck up. Not to say I was anti, but I had not really internalized what was happening. Was not as careful as I could have been. Definitely did not have all the info I could have had.
- ridethebike 6y ago
  My relative tells everyone that "this whole covid panic" is blown out of proportion - he got covid and it was "meh, no worse than flu" for him
  - ddingus 6y ago
    Those are the worst. They have a mild case and there basically is no convincing them otherwise, unless someone close to them has a different experience.
    - LeCow 6y ago
      I mean, that's 99.6% of everyone that gets it. In which case everything everyone here is saying has been blown out of proportion.
      - ddingus 6y ago
        Actually, it was not, and is not now. You are conflating outcomes with cases in progress. To understand severity, work with outcomes and that is dead people divided by recovered people. Infected people will eventually arrive at their outcome, but until they have actually ran their infection course, adding them into the risk assessment artificially marginalizes risk. Early on, before we understood treatment, the outcome numbers, chance of someone dying was quite high, 7 percent or so depending. It is currently a little over 1 percent and will likely improve as the science does, and our ability to treat cases is managed better. And that assumes we can get people vaccinated in high enough numbers to manage mutation rates. So far, vaccinated people do not die. Vast improvement over the 1'ish percentage currently in play for unvaccinated people. Without that, we run the very real risk of a mutation sending us back to the beginning. I have had this exact conversation with people who died thinking their low risk assessment, dividing dead people by infected people, made sense. It does not, and it does not because outcomes are being mixed in with cases in progress. It is like combining the wrong units and wondering why nature does not match the math.
      - Bouncingsoul1 6y ago
        Could you please explain how you got this number? If I look at the statistics for the most countries in Europe I'll see a ratio of around 2/100 between detected cases and deaths (Germany, Belgium). That would mean that we would have around 5x more cases than we detect ,if we see "mild" as doesn't die. If you define "mild" as "not in hospital" this number would be even higher (meaning in some case that more than 100% of the population of a country would have had covid). So please explain your numbers and reasoning.

ryandrake 6y ago

Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you recovered and very sorry about the others. My own family happened to escape it but my wife lost several loved ones. > While all this was going on, I am surrounded by people who think it is all fake, nobody is dying, etc... The saddest, craziest stories are the ones who, while the tubes were going in, used their last voluntary breaths to cry “How is this happening? The virus is a hoax!” We need to have a serious reckoning with mental health in this country.

ddingus 6y ago
I feel your wifes loss! She OK, well connected to others and all that? That gets better, but is a thing that does stay with us, changes us. I need to be in touch often because of my own experiences. Hope she finds what she need to carry on and live well.
ddingus 6y ago
No doubt! I know one of those, and they made it through. It is rough. I can see them question just about everything and feeling a little lonely, due to their peer group not identifying very well with their struggle. Yeah, I had a couple loooooong nights deep breathing, eye on an oximeter. Was early enough to feel a lot of angst about going to the hospital! We were not good at treatment yet, people go in, die alone... Woke me right the fuck up. Not to say I was anti, but I had not really internalized what was happening. Was not as careful as I could have been. Definitely did not have all the info I could have had.
ridethebike 6y ago
My relative tells everyone that "this whole covid panic" is blown out of proportion - he got covid and it was "meh, no worse than flu" for him
- ddingus 6y ago
  Those are the worst. They have a mild case and there basically is no convincing them otherwise, unless someone close to them has a different experience.
  - LeCow 6y ago
    I mean, that's 99.6% of everyone that gets it. In which case everything everyone here is saying has been blown out of proportion.
    - ddingus 6y ago
      Actually, it was not, and is not now. You are conflating outcomes with cases in progress. To understand severity, work with outcomes and that is dead people divided by recovered people. Infected people will eventually arrive at their outcome, but until they have actually ran their infection course, adding them into the risk assessment artificially marginalizes risk. Early on, before we understood treatment, the outcome numbers, chance of someone dying was quite high, 7 percent or so depending. It is currently a little over 1 percent and will likely improve as the science does, and our ability to treat cases is managed better. And that assumes we can get people vaccinated in high enough numbers to manage mutation rates. So far, vaccinated people do not die. Vast improvement over the 1'ish percentage currently in play for unvaccinated people. Without that, we run the very real risk of a mutation sending us back to the beginning. I have had this exact conversation with people who died thinking their low risk assessment, dividing dead people by infected people, made sense. It does not, and it does not because outcomes are being mixed in with cases in progress. It is like combining the wrong units and wondering why nature does not match the math.
    - Bouncingsoul1 6y ago
      Could you please explain how you got this number? If I look at the statistics for the most countries in Europe I'll see a ratio of around 2/100 between detected cases and deaths (Germany, Belgium). That would mean that we would have around 5x more cases than we detect ,if we see "mild" as doesn't die. If you define "mild" as "not in hospital" this number would be even higher (meaning in some case that more than 100% of the population of a country would have had covid). So please explain your numbers and reasoning.