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2/3's of the player base disagrees that healers and support are fun. Well more than the majority prefers dps. If I were going to single out one thing that I'v

by LanceH 6y ago

2/3's of the player base disagrees that healers and support are fun. Well more than the majority prefers dps. If I were going to single out one thing that I've never seen anyone mention it is that shields are 1 way only. It makes tanks too powerful and stable, thus support is needed, thus dps is third tier.

chimeracoder 6y ago
> 2/3's of the player base disagrees that healers and support are fun. [citation needed] > Well more than the majority prefers dps. Well more than the majority of characters are DPS characters. If Blizzard provided the same variety in tank and support characters that they do in DPS, there'd be more of a draw to play those roles.
- LanceH 5y ago
  The extremely lengthy queues and support and tanks playing like dps indicate i'm correct.
nemothekid 6y ago
It's hard to theorize because Blizzard made so few tweaks to the game. I can't speak on "fun", but before 2/2/2 the problem was supports were way too powerful (Overwatch has always had a problem with supports being too powerful). The GOATS meta was a reflection of this where you were borderline throwing if you chose DPS. It's telling how many metas were driven by a support that was too powerful (Brigette; GOATS, Moth meta; Mercy, Nanoblade/Beyblade; Ana). Having too powerful supports means that ultimates are the only thing that kills anyone. Of course Blizzard had a challenge designing supports - if they were too weak they were unfun to play but if they are too strong then your entire dedicated player base complains for months. Ultimately I think the problem was the lack of diversity among the other supports/tanks. The relatively few amount of tanks/supports ultimately meant that the community would quickly coealesce on an optimal tank setup (Rein/zarya, Winston/dva, etc), and as a tank/support player it became boring to play because picking an off-meta tank would be seen as a throw. There's little that is worse than queing to play your favorite tank and the other 5 players yelling at you to switch to $meta.
- Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
  > There's little that is worse than queing to play your favorite tank and the other 5 players yelling at you to switch to $meta. *Healing teammates* Team mate: I need healing Me: Im already healing teammate Team mate: I need healing Team mate: I need healing Team mate: I need healing *hasn’t stopped healing* *Team mate dies* LITERALLY NO HEALS. FFS HEAL! End of Match FFS HEALS UNINSTALL THE GAME. Cards land. Top healer of the match, 40% of damage recovered. Me: What more do you fucking want??? For me, that’s I enjoy the least as being healer. I would rather have 0 comms than that. And the thing is, there is fuck all bliss can do to fix it. Dicks are gonna be dicks, idiots are always gonna be idiots. EDIT: The other “fun” one is this. Healers: “We have tracer and or doom fist fucking up out back line” *tumbleweeds* Healers: “hey, we are seriously getting are arses handed to us in the back line, can we get a bit of help just so they lay off our back line for a bit?” *tumbleweeds* Rest of the team: WHERE THE FUCK ARE RHE HEALERS? Healers: “Dead, we are both dead. We can’t heal if we are dead or having to attack in order to keep ourselves alive because we have not backup. They have a Rein camping the spawn so I had to switch JUST to get out of the spawn room alive” Rest of the team: FFS LITERALLY 0 HEALS. ALSO GROUP THE FUCK UP. And don't spam "I need healing" and then go the opposite way to your healers (If we can't get to you or have LOS on you, we can not heal you), or spam it when you don't need healing (it takes our attenstion off those who do). Oh and my personal fav(s).. Ask for heals, get a small heal then run away 2 sec's later and than complain you are not at full health, Or be a widowmaker way back away from the team snipping, spamming heals when you are standing 5 meters away from a large medipack. Or be a high mobility char getting healed, take 25% of damage thing "Fuck this PEACE", Leave by a means your healer can't only for your healer to then been stomped on (bonus points if you then complain about healing 0.5 seconds after leaving your healer). And you wonder why we flip the fuck out, say fuck it and turn into a DPS Moria or a well booping Lucio?

by LanceH 6y ago

chimeracoder 6y ago

> 2/3's of the player base disagrees that healers and support are fun. [citation needed] > Well more than the majority prefers dps. Well more than the majority of characters are DPS characters. If Blizzard provided the same variety in tank and support characters that they do in DPS, there'd be more of a draw to play those roles.

LanceH 5y ago
The extremely lengthy queues and support and tanks playing like dps indicate i'm correct.

nemothekid 6y ago

It's hard to theorize because Blizzard made so few tweaks to the game. I can't speak on "fun", but before 2/2/2 the problem was supports were way too powerful (Overwatch has always had a problem with supports being too powerful). The GOATS meta was a reflection of this where you were borderline throwing if you chose DPS. It's telling how many metas were driven by a support that was too powerful (Brigette; GOATS, Moth meta; Mercy, Nanoblade/Beyblade; Ana). Having too powerful supports means that ultimates are the only thing that kills anyone. Of course Blizzard had a challenge designing supports - if they were too weak they were unfun to play but if they are too strong then your entire dedicated player base complains for months. Ultimately I think the problem was the lack of diversity among the other supports/tanks. The relatively few amount of tanks/supports ultimately meant that the community would quickly coealesce on an optimal tank setup (Rein/zarya, Winston/dva, etc), and as a tank/support player it became boring to play because picking an off-meta tank would be seen as a throw. There's little that is worse than queing to play your favorite tank and the other 5 players yelling at you to switch to $meta.

Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
> There's little that is worse than queing to play your favorite tank and the other 5 players yelling at you to switch to $meta. *Healing teammates* Team mate: I need healing Me: Im already healing teammate Team mate: I need healing Team mate: I need healing Team mate: I need healing *hasn’t stopped healing* *Team mate dies* LITERALLY NO HEALS. FFS HEAL! End of Match FFS HEALS UNINSTALL THE GAME. Cards land. Top healer of the match, 40% of damage recovered. Me: What more do you fucking want??? For me, that’s I enjoy the least as being healer. I would rather have 0 comms than that. And the thing is, there is fuck all bliss can do to fix it. Dicks are gonna be dicks, idiots are always gonna be idiots. EDIT: The other “fun” one is this. Healers: “We have tracer and or doom fist fucking up out back line” *tumbleweeds* Healers: “hey, we are seriously getting are arses handed to us in the back line, can we get a bit of help just so they lay off our back line for a bit?” *tumbleweeds* Rest of the team: WHERE THE FUCK ARE RHE HEALERS? Healers: “Dead, we are both dead. We can’t heal if we are dead or having to attack in order to keep ourselves alive because we have not backup. They have a Rein camping the spawn so I had to switch JUST to get out of the spawn room alive” Rest of the team: FFS LITERALLY 0 HEALS. ALSO GROUP THE FUCK UP. And don't spam "I need healing" and then go the opposite way to your healers (If we can't get to you or have LOS on you, we can not heal you), or spam it when you don't need healing (it takes our attenstion off those who do). Oh and my personal fav(s).. Ask for heals, get a small heal then run away 2 sec's later and than complain you are not at full health, Or be a widowmaker way back away from the team snipping, spamming heals when you are standing 5 meters away from a large medipack. Or be a high mobility char getting healed, take 25% of damage thing "Fuck this PEACE", Leave by a means your healer can't only for your healer to then been stomped on (bonus points if you then complain about healing 0.5 seconds after leaving your healer). And you wonder why we flip the fuck out, say fuck it and turn into a DPS Moria or a well booping Lucio?