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The fact they were HQ'd in London always confused me. Yes the EU gives you some protections, but taking a pseudonymous TPB-style approach is probably easier for

The fact they were HQ'd in London always confused me. Yes the EU gives you some protections, but taking a pseudonymous TPB-style approach is probably easier for everyone (support, operations, management, marketing) than the legal grey area LiveLeak operated in. Also the end of the note from Hayden sticks with me, I know the type of videos or users he's referring to and I don't think the majority of readers will realise just how fucked up this platform was. Yes, there were videos from the likes of Lasse Gjertsen who made people question a lot of the content they saw, but there were some real ones in there too. > Lastly, to those no longer with us. I still remember you. I'm not sad it's gone. But there should probably be a place for all of this type of content, I'm just not sure where. The public internet probably isn't it. Reading the ToS for the new site.. It seems all the content that made LiveLeak so popular (murder, shock videos, terrorism, suicide, sexual violence) is the exact content they won't allow. Seems a little bit like management are wanting to settle down, they know the main brand isn't going to be profitable long-term - but they can at least monetize some of it by building a video hosting site from its userbase.

judge2020 5y ago
> The public internet probably isn't it. If it's not available to the public internet, what's the point? If you just make a "upload your video and we'll archive it" site, it probably won't gain any traction as people can't link to it and thus your site doesn't gain the mindshare that LiveLeak had. And I don't think people are going to start sending SD cards to a random PO box.
- Mandatum 5y ago
  I would honestly hope it could be hosted and paid by an academia organisation, as the motives to drive profit behind this type of platform are so insidious - I fear we'll likely see darknet style actors step in (that is, if we haven't already - I try not to read too much about that side of the internet, having listened to some podcasts that explain just how bad it can get).
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Maybe someone someday WASMizes TOR/I2P/Freenet etc., you get a link to something like a "hidden service"...
varispeed 5y ago
The new EU regulation makes hosting of such sites no longer possible. Probably that's why they closed. I think that many more sites like this will be closed. Take a look: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content-regulation-and-what-it-means-for-uk-hosting-providers https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...
- doublerabbit 5y ago
  That makes the most sense. To sieve through all the content and delete would be a painful task as well as it making the site look bare. Easier to rebrand and throw up content that wasn't NSFL.
varispeed 5y ago
> The fact they were HQ'd in London always confused me. UK is quite different from the EU when it comes to law. Many businesses largely operate in a grey area and as long as there is no public outrage or they don't step on a wrong politician foot, they are good to go. Even before anything happens you'll likely get plenty of warnings and time to sort whatever problem you have before anyone will be knocking at your door.

judge2020 5y ago

> The public internet probably isn't it. If it's not available to the public internet, what's the point? If you just make a "upload your video and we'll archive it" site, it probably won't gain any traction as people can't link to it and thus your site doesn't gain the mindshare that LiveLeak had. And I don't think people are going to start sending SD cards to a random PO box.

Mandatum 5y ago
I would honestly hope it could be hosted and paid by an academia organisation, as the motives to drive profit behind this type of platform are so insidious - I fear we'll likely see darknet style actors step in (that is, if we haven't already - I try not to read too much about that side of the internet, having listened to some podcasts that explain just how bad it can get).
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Maybe someone someday WASMizes TOR/I2P/Freenet etc., you get a link to something like a "hidden service"...

varispeed 5y ago

The new EU regulation makes hosting of such sites no longer possible. Probably that's why they closed. I think that many more sites like this will be closed. Take a look: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content-regulation-and-what-it-means-for-uk-hosting-providers https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...

doublerabbit 5y ago
That makes the most sense. To sieve through all the content and delete would be a painful task as well as it making the site look bare. Easier to rebrand and throw up content that wasn't NSFL.

varispeed 5y ago

> The fact they were HQ'd in London always confused me. UK is quite different from the EU when it comes to law. Many businesses largely operate in a grey area and as long as there is no public outrage or they don't step on a wrong politician foot, they are good to go. Even before anything happens you'll likely get plenty of warnings and time to sort whatever problem you have before anyone will be knocking at your door.