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> Whether you choose to transfer to a different office or opt for completely remote work, your compensation will be adjusted according to your new location. Th

by jpm_sd 5y ago

> Whether you choose to transfer to a different office or opt for completely remote work, your compensation will be adjusted according to your new location. That's it, the end of geographic arbitrage. No more working from the mountains on a Silicon Valley salary. Hope everyone enjoyed it while it lasted.

softwaredoug 5y ago
Still the market will finally decide whether the arbitrage could work out. Plenty of companies aren’t changing pay based on where you live, namely Spotify.
- andrewnc 5y ago
  And reddit as far as I know
slavapestov 5y ago
> That's it, the end of geographic arbitrage. No more working from the mountains on a Silicon Valley salary. Hope everyone enjoyed it while it lasted. Location-based pay has been the norm at Apple, Google and Facebook already.
garet2 5y ago
I don't know how Google is doing it, but the difference at some other companies is not that much. You're probably not getting sent down from 600k TC to 60k, even if that's the going rate for developers in Nowhere, Montana (if there even are any developer jobs there). Then, consider that much of compensation at higher levels is RSUs you've already been allocated for the next four years anyways.
- slavapestov 5y ago
  > You're probably not getting sent down from 600k TC to 60k, even if that's the going rate for developers in Nowhere, Montana (if there even are any developer jobs there). Yeah. Anecdotally, the adjustment in pay within the USA at Big Cos is much lower than the differences in housing costs between SFBA and everywhere else. (Between countries is another matter though; several years ago I've heard of folks in Europe making 2x/3x less than their American peers. Not sure what the situation is today.)
- paganel 5y ago
  > even if that's the going rate for developers in Nowhere, Montana From what I've read elsewhere on the internet stopping the flow of CA programmers would actually be a god-sent to people who were raised in Nowhere, Montana, the gentrification taking place in the last few years has had very annoying societal side-effects for said local people. As far as I could understood Colorado is already a lost case, though.
mLuby 5y ago
If you're in a relatively low comp area and decide to work remotely from a high comp city, does your location-based pay go up? Or is all "remote" work considered the same location pay-wise? And furthermore, who's checking all of this—do you have to prove where you work, or just have a mailing address and a place to pay taxes? I know one place that sent an inspector to verify the home office had the minimum required office equipment: a door and a shredder.
- bradfa 5y ago
  I've read that some companies require inspections of home offices in order to comply with insurance rules, especially around workers compensation. As if you get hurt "on the job" but the job happens in the employee's own home it could easily become quite a mess on the insurance side of things trying to figure out who's to blame. I'm not sure exactly how sales tax rules work, but in the US I believe that if a business has a presence in a given state they are required to collect sales tax in that state. This could matter for smaller companies but probably Google already has a presence in every US state. Regardless, purposefully lying to your employer about your location seems like something most employers would get really upset about simply on principle once they found out.
AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
Not sure it's gotta be so gloomy. You can still work from the mountains very, very comfortably at 50% of a SV salary. If you aren't working for a major publicly-traded big tech firm, chances are this is not going to be happening to you in the first place. Big tech's motivation for doing this is clearly cost-cutting and avoiding liabilities they cannot yield total control over. If Google can't get you fat & giggly on paternalistic "benefits," hosted on their corporate campus, they're afraid you won't become the subservient non-skeptical workhorse they believe they need. So, they've got to start finding ways to offset the costs they believe will be coming from having employees who aren't being dominated under the total surveillance and control of Google's ever-present watching eyes.

by jpm_sd 5y ago

softwaredoug 5y ago

Still the market will finally decide whether the arbitrage could work out. Plenty of companies aren’t changing pay based on where you live, namely Spotify.

andrewnc 5y ago
And reddit as far as I know

slavapestov 5y ago

> That's it, the end of geographic arbitrage. No more working from the mountains on a Silicon Valley salary. Hope everyone enjoyed it while it lasted. Location-based pay has been the norm at Apple, Google and Facebook already.

garet2 5y ago

I don't know how Google is doing it, but the difference at some other companies is not that much. You're probably not getting sent down from 600k TC to 60k, even if that's the going rate for developers in Nowhere, Montana (if there even are any developer jobs there). Then, consider that much of compensation at higher levels is RSUs you've already been allocated for the next four years anyways.

slavapestov 5y ago
> You're probably not getting sent down from 600k TC to 60k, even if that's the going rate for developers in Nowhere, Montana (if there even are any developer jobs there). Yeah. Anecdotally, the adjustment in pay within the USA at Big Cos is much lower than the differences in housing costs between SFBA and everywhere else. (Between countries is another matter though; several years ago I've heard of folks in Europe making 2x/3x less than their American peers. Not sure what the situation is today.)
paganel 5y ago
> even if that's the going rate for developers in Nowhere, Montana From what I've read elsewhere on the internet stopping the flow of CA programmers would actually be a god-sent to people who were raised in Nowhere, Montana, the gentrification taking place in the last few years has had very annoying societal side-effects for said local people. As far as I could understood Colorado is already a lost case, though.

mLuby 5y ago

If you're in a relatively low comp area and decide to work remotely from a high comp city, does your location-based pay go up? Or is all "remote" work considered the same location pay-wise? And furthermore, who's checking all of this—do you have to prove where you work, or just have a mailing address and a place to pay taxes? I know one place that sent an inspector to verify the home office had the minimum required office equipment: a door and a shredder.

bradfa 5y ago
I've read that some companies require inspections of home offices in order to comply with insurance rules, especially around workers compensation. As if you get hurt "on the job" but the job happens in the employee's own home it could easily become quite a mess on the insurance side of things trying to figure out who's to blame. I'm not sure exactly how sales tax rules work, but in the US I believe that if a business has a presence in a given state they are required to collect sales tax in that state. This could matter for smaller companies but probably Google already has a presence in every US state. Regardless, purposefully lying to your employer about your location seems like something most employers would get really upset about simply on principle once they found out.

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago

Not sure it's gotta be so gloomy. You can still work from the mountains very, very comfortably at 50% of a SV salary. If you aren't working for a major publicly-traded big tech firm, chances are this is not going to be happening to you in the first place. Big tech's motivation for doing this is clearly cost-cutting and avoiding liabilities they cannot yield total control over. If Google can't get you fat & giggly on paternalistic "benefits," hosted on their corporate campus, they're afraid you won't become the subservient non-skeptical workhorse they believe they need. So, they've got to start finding ways to offset the costs they believe will be coming from having employees who aren't being dominated under the total surveillance and control of Google's ever-present watching eyes.