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That meeting room looks super uncomfortable and awkward. Why can’t they just use some simple criteria for coming back to work: if you have two vaccine shots + t

That meeting room looks super uncomfortable and awkward. Why can’t they just use some simple criteria for coming back to work: if you have two vaccine shots + time for second shot you can come in to work (unless you have a medical/religious reason not to). Also, if everyone is vaccines can we do away with mask requirements?

Aachen 5y ago
> if everyone is vaccines can we do away with mask requirements? From my understanding, yes as soon as positive tests in the country (or some wide area you're likely to mingle with) are near zero. Until then, there is the risk of someone (not yet vaccinated) who carries the virus developing a mutation that can then try itself on the immune system of a vaccinated person (you). It'll spread if it's resistent, so we should avoid such contracts. As soon as we don't have it roaming around, I think we can do away with these precautions indeed.
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anonporridge 5y ago
> Also, if everyone is vaccines can we do away with mask requirements? We still don't have any hard evidence that the vaccine stops transmission. It's possible that it keeps you from getting sick while being an asymptomatic spreader. That's why we're still wearing masks even after vaccination until we have better understanding of how the vaccine affects transmission rates.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  > We still don't have any hard evidence that the vaccine stops transmission. It's possible that it keeps you from getting sick while being an asymptomatic spreader. Yes we do. I'm not sure that we have peer reviewed published A/B studies yet (but I think we do have some initial ones). But there is absolutely hard evidence that trasmissions rates decrease among vaccinated populations. We saw this with population level testing among groups that got vaccinated.
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210326/covid-vaccine-spread-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021032...
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      From the article: > Preliminary data points to substantially lower rates of transmission among vaccinated people. [the article then cites a study in Israel, which I was also referring to] That is some hard evidence. It may not be absolutely conclusive, but yes its evidence. We don't yet have a randomized controlled trial, which is the gold standard, yes. But we do have hard evidence.
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- slavapestov 5y ago
  > We still don't have any hard evidence that the vaccine stops transmission. It's possible that it keeps you from getting sick while being an asymptomatic spreader. We absolutely do and such studies exist, and furthermore you can see a rapid decline in new cases in countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage, which would not have occurred if vaccines did not prevent onward transmission.
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210326/covid-vaccine-spread-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021032...
  - what_ever 5y ago
    > We absolutely do Source please. CDC hasn't said anything about this.
    - throwaway3699 5y ago
      What do you make of https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases ?
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > which would not have occurred if vaccines did not prevent onward transmission. If vaccinated people can't get it, then it will mean that spreaders have less people to spread it to.
qshaman 5y ago
We will be using masks until either someone breaks the ice and people just get over it or most states rollback the mask mandate. Could be months or years.
- Google234 5y ago
  Looks like the cdc now disagrees :p

Aachen 5y ago

> if everyone is vaccines can we do away with mask requirements? From my understanding, yes as soon as positive tests in the country (or some wide area you're likely to mingle with) are near zero. Until then, there is the risk of someone (not yet vaccinated) who carries the virus developing a mutation that can then try itself on the immune system of a vaccinated person (you). It'll spread if it's resistent, so we should avoid such contracts. As soon as we don't have it roaming around, I think we can do away with these precautions indeed.

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anonporridge 5y ago

> Also, if everyone is vaccines can we do away with mask requirements? We still don't have any hard evidence that the vaccine stops transmission. It's possible that it keeps you from getting sick while being an asymptomatic spreader. That's why we're still wearing masks even after vaccination until we have better understanding of how the vaccine affects transmission rates.

joshuamorton 5y ago
> We still don't have any hard evidence that the vaccine stops transmission. It's possible that it keeps you from getting sick while being an asymptomatic spreader. Yes we do. I'm not sure that we have peer reviewed published A/B studies yet (but I think we do have some initial ones). But there is absolutely hard evidence that trasmissions rates decrease among vaccinated populations. We saw this with population level testing among groups that got vaccinated.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210326/covid-vaccine-spread-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021032...
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    From the article: > Preliminary data points to substantially lower rates of transmission among vaccinated people. [the article then cites a study in Israel, which I was also referring to] That is some hard evidence. It may not be absolutely conclusive, but yes its evidence. We don't yet have a randomized controlled trial, which is the gold standard, yes. But we do have hard evidence.
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slavapestov 5y ago
> We still don't have any hard evidence that the vaccine stops transmission. It's possible that it keeps you from getting sick while being an asymptomatic spreader. We absolutely do and such studies exist, and furthermore you can see a rapid decline in new cases in countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage, which would not have occurred if vaccines did not prevent onward transmission.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210326/covid-vaccine-spread-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021032...
- what_ever 5y ago
  > We absolutely do Source please. CDC hasn't said anything about this.
  - throwaway3699 5y ago
    What do you make of https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases ?
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > which would not have occurred if vaccines did not prevent onward transmission. If vaccinated people can't get it, then it will mean that spreaders have less people to spread it to.

qshaman 5y ago

We will be using masks until either someone breaks the ice and people just get over it or most states rollback the mask mandate. Could be months or years.

Google234 5y ago
Looks like the cdc now disagrees :p