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What does the socialist healthcare system have to do with government-planned vaccine rollout? If you had a capitalist healthcare system like the US, that would

What does the socialist healthcare system have to do with government-planned vaccine rollout? If you had a capitalist healthcare system like the US, that would not give you a better vaccine rollout.

smuckers 5y ago
> What does the socialist healthcare system have to do with government-planned vaccine rollout? Maybe you should re-read that sentence
busymom0 5y ago
US: 248M doses, 106M fully vaccinated, 32.3% fully vaccinated. Canada: 14.3M doses, 1.16M fully vaccinated, 3.1% fully vaccinated. Vaccine companies refused to manufacture vaccines in Canada due to lack of facilities. This is a fact. So Canada is waiting on getting them from other countries. Despite all the flaws of the US system, US is doing much better than Canada for vaccine roll outs as well as lockdown measures. When USA built temporary hospitals and 2 hospital ships, Canada has yet not done it and it's been a year. Main problem here is that instead of building temporary hospitals to boost the hospital capacity like US did last year, we have simply kept locking down which is equivalent to throwing the problem under a rug. It's been a year and even though they were talking about it last year, only as of couple weeks ago, they are planning on using temporary field hospital in the coming weeks. Why wasn't it used for a year to boost the capacity? Also the 2 temporary hospitals in Ontario have only 73 and 84 beds. That's tiny. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-says-a-covid-19-field-hospital-is-expected-to-take-patients-this-month-1.5388395 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-says-a-covid-19-field-hos...
CountDrewku 5y ago
> If you had a capitalist healthcare system like the US, that would not give you a better vaccine rollout. Actually, it would and that's what happened in the US. We had the private facilities and the drug tech to make it happen and that's due in part to not having an entirely socialized medical system. Like it or not money incentivizes drug research. I don't know how you could claim that if Canada had the ability to mass produce the vaccine like the US did that they wouldn't be ahead in their rollout. Canada had the extra step of trying to figure where they were going to get their vaccines and when since they didn't have the ability to create it in country. That's a massive disadvantage.
- naturalauction 5y ago
  On the other hand, here in the UK - the socialized healthcare system is making it much easier to ensure doses get to people who need them. Something like 95% of over 50s have gotten their first dose. While I may not like it, the vaccine rollout is slowly going down the age ranges (40+ and vulnerable people are eligible now), and your doctor will let you know when you can book an appointment. I think that this helps ensure that there is less inequality in vaccine access. The AZ vaccine was also researched in the UK, with lots of production here too. That especially surprising considering very little vaccine production happened here before COVID. What is probably hurting Canada is their small population, making researching and producing their own vaccine much more difficult.
  - TMWNN 5y ago
    >On the other hand, here in the UK - the socialized healthcare system is making it much easier to ensure doses get to people who need them. Something like 95% of over 50s have gotten their first dose. While I may not like it, the vaccine rollout is slowly going down the age ranges (40+ and vulnerable people are eligible now) Vaccines are available for all Americans 16 and older. I'm not sure when this occurred nationwide, but California made vaccines avaiable to everyone 16 and older since April 15, and other states did so before then. >The AZ vaccine was also researched in the UK, with lots of production here too. That especially surprising considering very little vaccine production happened here before COVID. The UK invested a lot of money to build plants during the past year. >What is probably hurting Canada is their small population, making researching and producing their own vaccine much more difficult. Canada produces a lot of vaccines; just not the types appropriate to convert to COVID19 shots.
    - naturalauction 5y ago
      >Vaccines are available for all Americans 16 and older. I'm not sure when this occurred nationwide, but California made vaccines avaiable to everyone 16 and older since April 15, and other states did so before then. Despite the vaccine not being available to many people in the UK (people aged 16-40) that a greater percentage of adults in the UK have received at least one dose. Some of that can be attributed to lower rates of vaccine hesitancy, but some of it is surely related to the NHS being better at outreach than the fragmented healthcare system in the US.

What does the socialist healthcare system have to do with government-planned vaccine rollout? If you had a capitalist healthcare system like the US, that would not give you a better vaccine rollout.

smuckers 5y ago

> What does the socialist healthcare system have to do with government-planned vaccine rollout? Maybe you should re-read that sentence

busymom0 5y ago

US: 248M doses, 106M fully vaccinated, 32.3% fully vaccinated. Canada: 14.3M doses, 1.16M fully vaccinated, 3.1% fully vaccinated. Vaccine companies refused to manufacture vaccines in Canada due to lack of facilities. This is a fact. So Canada is waiting on getting them from other countries. Despite all the flaws of the US system, US is doing much better than Canada for vaccine roll outs as well as lockdown measures. When USA built temporary hospitals and 2 hospital ships, Canada has yet not done it and it's been a year. Main problem here is that instead of building temporary hospitals to boost the hospital capacity like US did last year, we have simply kept locking down which is equivalent to throwing the problem under a rug. It's been a year and even though they were talking about it last year, only as of couple weeks ago, they are planning on using temporary field hospital in the coming weeks. Why wasn't it used for a year to boost the capacity? Also the 2 temporary hospitals in Ontario have only 73 and 84 beds. That's tiny. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-says-a-covid-19-field-hospital-is-expected-to-take-patients-this-month-1.5388395 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-says-a-covid-19-field-hos...

CountDrewku 5y ago

> If you had a capitalist healthcare system like the US, that would not give you a better vaccine rollout. Actually, it would and that's what happened in the US. We had the private facilities and the drug tech to make it happen and that's due in part to not having an entirely socialized medical system. Like it or not money incentivizes drug research. I don't know how you could claim that if Canada had the ability to mass produce the vaccine like the US did that they wouldn't be ahead in their rollout. Canada had the extra step of trying to figure where they were going to get their vaccines and when since they didn't have the ability to create it in country. That's a massive disadvantage.

naturalauction 5y ago
On the other hand, here in the UK - the socialized healthcare system is making it much easier to ensure doses get to people who need them. Something like 95% of over 50s have gotten their first dose. While I may not like it, the vaccine rollout is slowly going down the age ranges (40+ and vulnerable people are eligible now), and your doctor will let you know when you can book an appointment. I think that this helps ensure that there is less inequality in vaccine access. The AZ vaccine was also researched in the UK, with lots of production here too. That especially surprising considering very little vaccine production happened here before COVID. What is probably hurting Canada is their small population, making researching and producing their own vaccine much more difficult.
- TMWNN 5y ago
  >On the other hand, here in the UK - the socialized healthcare system is making it much easier to ensure doses get to people who need them. Something like 95% of over 50s have gotten their first dose. While I may not like it, the vaccine rollout is slowly going down the age ranges (40+ and vulnerable people are eligible now) Vaccines are available for all Americans 16 and older. I'm not sure when this occurred nationwide, but California made vaccines avaiable to everyone 16 and older since April 15, and other states did so before then. >The AZ vaccine was also researched in the UK, with lots of production here too. That especially surprising considering very little vaccine production happened here before COVID. The UK invested a lot of money to build plants during the past year. >What is probably hurting Canada is their small population, making researching and producing their own vaccine much more difficult. Canada produces a lot of vaccines; just not the types appropriate to convert to COVID19 shots.
  - naturalauction 5y ago
    >Vaccines are available for all Americans 16 and older. I'm not sure when this occurred nationwide, but California made vaccines avaiable to everyone 16 and older since April 15, and other states did so before then. Despite the vaccine not being available to many people in the UK (people aged 16-40) that a greater percentage of adults in the UK have received at least one dose. Some of that can be attributed to lower rates of vaccine hesitancy, but some of it is surely related to the NHS being better at outreach than the fragmented healthcare system in the US.