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With America pumping out 4 million doses a day... Canada can be inoculated in a single week. Expect to see that gap crumble over the next two months and with l

With America pumping out 4 million doses a day... Canada can be inoculated in a single week. Expect to see that gap crumble over the next two months and with lower vaccine hesitancy... Canada will likely cross the finish line before America.

bitwize 5y ago
The USA is never crossing the finish line. Americans have a huge "denier politics" problem that other Western nations just don't have.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Based on hesitancy data [1], you’re right, but the damage is going to be constrained to those who won’t get the vaccine and a smaller group of those who would’ve avoided harm from herd immunity. The problem is the finish line (here immunity to protect the vulnerable and to act as a firebreak) doesn’t matter to those who have a lower risk and opt to not get the vaccine. At least our extra doses will go to those who want it in countries we export to. Make the best of goodwill and soft power I suppose. [1] https://data.cdc.gov/stories/s/Vaccine-Hesitancy-for-COVID-19/cnd2-a6zw/ https://data.cdc.gov/stories/s/Vaccine-Hesitancy-for-COVID-1...
  - ryandrake 5y ago
    Starting to think Vaccine Hesitancy is too soft a phrase. I thought most of the hesitant group are in the "definitely not" and "probably not" survey buckets, and fewer are actually "unsure". Probably more accurate to call them vaccine deniers at this point.
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- neither_color 5y ago
  Which finish line? We don't need 100% of people vaccinated(No I'm not anti-vax I'm team pfizer, I simply respect people's choice not to partake at their own risk) and we don't need to stop all respiratory illnesses forever, we just need enough done to keep the healthcare system under capacity for life to go on. I consider measures taken in Australia, Canada and the UK to be overkill and would never wish that here. People in general made good faith efforts to obey mandates but the "finish line" or goalpost keeps moving.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    So alberta, canada is getting close to health care system over capacity (not there yet but worrying trend lines). I think its contradictory to say that canada has done too much well also saying we need it to stay under capacity. We wouldn't be under capacity without the lock down. Finish line would be heard immunity (65-90% vaccinated. Unclear precisely where depends on lots of factors. 65% seems doable, less sure about 90%)
  - bourgwaletariat 5y ago
    > I simply respect people's choice Sadly, methinks that's why you're getting down voted.
  - TMWNN 5y ago
    >People in general made good faith efforts to obey mandates but the "finish line" or goalpost keeps moving. For example, see Fauci explicitly admitting to doing this. https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/90445 https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/90445
    - bitwize 5y ago
      Often the truth value of a statement lies not in its correspondence with reality, but in its effect on people, especially in large numbers. See also: hate facts.
- TMWNN 5y ago
  >Americans have a huge "denier politics" problem that other Western nations just don't have. Anti-vaccine sentiment is higher in Europe than in the US. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/03/08/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-is-worse-in-eu-than-us/?sh=22d7ce58611f https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/03/08/covid-19...

bitwize 5y ago

The USA is never crossing the finish line. Americans have a huge "denier politics" problem that other Western nations just don't have.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Based on hesitancy data [1], you’re right, but the damage is going to be constrained to those who won’t get the vaccine and a smaller group of those who would’ve avoided harm from herd immunity. The problem is the finish line (here immunity to protect the vulnerable and to act as a firebreak) doesn’t matter to those who have a lower risk and opt to not get the vaccine. At least our extra doses will go to those who want it in countries we export to. Make the best of goodwill and soft power I suppose. [1] https://data.cdc.gov/stories/s/Vaccine-Hesitancy-for-COVID-19/cnd2-a6zw/ https://data.cdc.gov/stories/s/Vaccine-Hesitancy-for-COVID-1...
- ryandrake 5y ago
  Starting to think Vaccine Hesitancy is too soft a phrase. I thought most of the hesitant group are in the "definitely not" and "probably not" survey buckets, and fewer are actually "unsure". Probably more accurate to call them vaccine deniers at this point.
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neither_color 5y ago
Which finish line? We don't need 100% of people vaccinated(No I'm not anti-vax I'm team pfizer, I simply respect people's choice not to partake at their own risk) and we don't need to stop all respiratory illnesses forever, we just need enough done to keep the healthcare system under capacity for life to go on. I consider measures taken in Australia, Canada and the UK to be overkill and would never wish that here. People in general made good faith efforts to obey mandates but the "finish line" or goalpost keeps moving.
- bawolff 5y ago
  So alberta, canada is getting close to health care system over capacity (not there yet but worrying trend lines). I think its contradictory to say that canada has done too much well also saying we need it to stay under capacity. We wouldn't be under capacity without the lock down. Finish line would be heard immunity (65-90% vaccinated. Unclear precisely where depends on lots of factors. 65% seems doable, less sure about 90%)
- bourgwaletariat 5y ago
  > I simply respect people's choice Sadly, methinks that's why you're getting down voted.
- TMWNN 5y ago
  >People in general made good faith efforts to obey mandates but the "finish line" or goalpost keeps moving. For example, see Fauci explicitly admitting to doing this. https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/90445 https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/90445
  - bitwize 5y ago
    Often the truth value of a statement lies not in its correspondence with reality, but in its effect on people, especially in large numbers. See also: hate facts.
TMWNN 5y ago
>Americans have a huge "denier politics" problem that other Western nations just don't have. Anti-vaccine sentiment is higher in Europe than in the US. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/03/08/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-is-worse-in-eu-than-us/?sh=22d7ce58611f https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/03/08/covid-19...