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There’s a difference. If a collector comes and takes my helmet, I won’t get on a bike without it because I’m a stickler for keeping my brain inside my skull. If

by hluska 5y ago

There’s a difference. If a collector comes and takes my helmet, I won’t get on a bike without it because I’m a stickler for keeping my brain inside my skull. If there is a bug anywhere between the global payment system and this product, I may not even know.

dahart 5y ago
> If there is a bug anywhere between the global payment system and this product, I may not even know. Why are you speculating about this and suggesting it will operate in a way that directly contradicts their documentation? It states clearly that the system has to be turned on and will reach "ride ready state". This means that you will know whether it's functioning before you ride, even if there is a bug in their payment system.
- Swenrekcah 5y ago
  And what if there is a bug in their payment checking system and it incorrectly indicates that the vest is functional? This idea is just not something that is possible to defend. It is a really bad all around. Not everything in life can or should be made into a subscription service or a financial instrument. I think I know what the universe’s great filter is. It is that in any society eventually a biologist will lapse on his bio-safe subscription so that it, according to contract, releases the world ending pathogens into the air conditioning system.
  - dahart 5y ago
    > what if there is a bug in their payment checking system and it incorrectly indicates that the vest is functional? Then you get a free day of airbag protection. The vest won't tell you it's functional and then stop working while you ride. The functionality and payment check happens before you ride, if you read their product description. https://www.klim.com/Ai-1-Airbag-Vest-3046-000 https://www.klim.com/Ai-1-Airbag-Vest-3046-000 > This idea is just not something that is possible to defend. I think you have the wrong idea about what it is. I am a motorcycle rider, I'm extremely safety conscious. I might buy this vest, because an airbag is good protection, and they're making this cost less to try out. Not sure if I would lease it or buy it outright, but I wouldn't hesitate to lease it over safety concerns, if buying wasn't an option for me.
    - hluska 5y ago
      I choose not to trust documentation when a company shits all over everything we know about building reliable safety systems. To be blunt, if they're dumb enough to think this is a good idea, they're too dumb to make safety equipment. This is an awful idea and it's impossible to defend with any kind of integrity.
      - dahart 5y ago
        Your strong language and hyperbole isn't convincing me there's something wrong. What is the safety risk, exactly? Can you elaborate on specifically what is unreliable or why this is awful? The vest will clearly indicate the lack of protection before a ride, just like a car or computer or any reliable safety system. What is the alternative that this product should be doing that would make it safer? Isn't there a much higher safety risk of using safety products as a user, and not reading or trusting the documentation?
        hluska 5y ago
        In short, the safety issue is that a company that makes gloves and jackets decided to build a passive safety system with an on/off switch tied to payment networks. The alternative is obvious - get rid of the on/off switch and just sell the thing. Not everything in life should be reduced to a monthly subscription.
        dahart 5y ago
        > Not everything in life should be reduced to a monthly subscription. Hell, I am in complete agreement with that. I'm just as tired of rent-seeking subscriptions as everyone else. They do just sell the thing, that is an option. They messed up their terminology and marketing message by calling it 'subscription' and 'service'. They should have stuck strictly to "lease plan", which some of their marketing does say. If everyone here had the exact same information but had never thought of this as a subscription, I'd bet all the pitchforks would still be tucked away in their sheds.
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  - hluska 5y ago
    I love your last paragraph - it's well written, makes a very strong point and manages to be very funny at the same time. Thanks friend - that's some great writing and thinking!! :)
    - Swenrekcah 5y ago
      Thanks for the kind words :)

by hluska 5y ago

dahart 5y ago

> If there is a bug anywhere between the global payment system and this product, I may not even know. Why are you speculating about this and suggesting it will operate in a way that directly contradicts their documentation? It states clearly that the system has to be turned on and will reach "ride ready state". This means that you will know whether it's functioning before you ride, even if there is a bug in their payment system.

Swenrekcah 5y ago
And what if there is a bug in their payment checking system and it incorrectly indicates that the vest is functional? This idea is just not something that is possible to defend. It is a really bad all around. Not everything in life can or should be made into a subscription service or a financial instrument. I think I know what the universe’s great filter is. It is that in any society eventually a biologist will lapse on his bio-safe subscription so that it, according to contract, releases the world ending pathogens into the air conditioning system.
- dahart 5y ago
  > what if there is a bug in their payment checking system and it incorrectly indicates that the vest is functional? Then you get a free day of airbag protection. The vest won't tell you it's functional and then stop working while you ride. The functionality and payment check happens before you ride, if you read their product description. https://www.klim.com/Ai-1-Airbag-Vest-3046-000 https://www.klim.com/Ai-1-Airbag-Vest-3046-000 > This idea is just not something that is possible to defend. I think you have the wrong idea about what it is. I am a motorcycle rider, I'm extremely safety conscious. I might buy this vest, because an airbag is good protection, and they're making this cost less to try out. Not sure if I would lease it or buy it outright, but I wouldn't hesitate to lease it over safety concerns, if buying wasn't an option for me.
  - hluska 5y ago
    I choose not to trust documentation when a company shits all over everything we know about building reliable safety systems. To be blunt, if they're dumb enough to think this is a good idea, they're too dumb to make safety equipment. This is an awful idea and it's impossible to defend with any kind of integrity.
    - dahart 5y ago
      Your strong language and hyperbole isn't convincing me there's something wrong. What is the safety risk, exactly? Can you elaborate on specifically what is unreliable or why this is awful? The vest will clearly indicate the lack of protection before a ride, just like a car or computer or any reliable safety system. What is the alternative that this product should be doing that would make it safer? Isn't there a much higher safety risk of using safety products as a user, and not reading or trusting the documentation?
      - hluska 5y ago
        In short, the safety issue is that a company that makes gloves and jackets decided to build a passive safety system with an on/off switch tied to payment networks. The alternative is obvious - get rid of the on/off switch and just sell the thing. Not everything in life should be reduced to a monthly subscription.
        dahart 5y ago
        > Not everything in life should be reduced to a monthly subscription. Hell, I am in complete agreement with that. I'm just as tired of rent-seeking subscriptions as everyone else. They do just sell the thing, that is an option. They messed up their terminology and marketing message by calling it 'subscription' and 'service'. They should have stuck strictly to "lease plan", which some of their marketing does say. If everyone here had the exact same information but had never thought of this as a subscription, I'd bet all the pitchforks would still be tucked away in their sheds.
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- hluska 5y ago
  I love your last paragraph - it's well written, makes a very strong point and manages to be very funny at the same time. Thanks friend - that's some great writing and thinking!! :)
  - Swenrekcah 5y ago
    Thanks for the kind words :)