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Doesn't matter. China buys a magnitude more than France and is expected to increase the demand even more. https://www.world-grain.com/articles/14738-china-sees

by hu3 6y ago

Doesn't matter. China buys a magnitude more than France and is expected to increase the demand even more. https://www.world-grain.com/articles/14738-china-sees-record-soybean-imports-in-2020 https://www.world-grain.com/articles/14738-china-sees-record...

edhelas 6y ago
Knowing that Europe is also starting to stop some economical deals https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2021/05/05/l-union-europeenne-suspend-l-accord-sur-les-investissements-avec-pekin_6079197_3210.html https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2021/05/05/l-un... China is the biggest importer of agricultural things. They can't produce locally all the food they eat. And Europe is exporting a lot of wheat and other corns to China. Maybe we can start to put some pressure on them finally ;)
- cocoggu 6y ago
  I don't think EU will be able to put any pressure on China with food. China still has a lot of different levers in case they lack food. Remember that the US deal actually forced them to buy american agricultural products. They also banned most of Australia food imports since they asked for an international investigation on SARS-CoV-2 origins. They could just lift this ban and Australian politics and farmers would jump on the occasion. There are so many countries who are willing to sell no matter what and no matter who as long as the price is good, and China has a lot of money.
Ericson2314 6y ago
The French move is not sufficient, but that doesn't mean it's not necessary. We will never solve our environment issues until we get over the fear of taking steps first.
- jtsiskin 6y ago
  Yeah, I don’t understand why small positive changes always are met with “doesn’t matter”. It doesn’t matter in the same way that not littering, turning off the lights, reducing consumption and waste, donating to charity, or voting “doesn’t matter”. Let’s not promote this faulty way of thinking
  - Ericson2314 6y ago
    In fairness, individual action that isn't collective doesn't scale from one person to 8 billion. But there are a lot fewer countries than people, and something like this is designed to put pressure on other countries as much as it is to make a dent on its own---it's supposed to spur collective action not be an isolated individual example.
narrator 6y ago
Let's extend the headline to "As Amazon deforestation hits 12 year high, France rejects Brazilian soy in consideration of climate change." Now, let's take the headline and put it into a magical machine that turn what the idealistic well-meaning activists and politicians wanted to happen to the immediate practical outcome of the action. The magical machine that replaces the intention with the practical outcome of the action is simply replacing "climate change" with "the western nations must consume less because China needs cheap commodities and needs to have a competitive advantage over the west to become the dominant global power". Climate change activism in its practical aspect seems to be a never-ending "prisoners dilemma" where the west always cooperates and China always defects. Let's try some more common headlines: "Western nations must reduce their gasoline consumption because of climate change" "We should stop having children because of climate change" "We should stop eating meat because of climate change" Meanwhile China built 3x more coal plants last year than the rest of the world combined. https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2021/02/03/china-built-three-times-as-much-coal-power-in-2020-as-the-rest-of-the-world-combined/ https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2021/02/03/china...

by hu3 6y ago

edhelas 6y ago

Knowing that Europe is also starting to stop some economical deals https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2021/05/05/l-union-europeenne-suspend-l-accord-sur-les-investissements-avec-pekin_6079197_3210.html https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2021/05/05/l-un... China is the biggest importer of agricultural things. They can't produce locally all the food they eat. And Europe is exporting a lot of wheat and other corns to China. Maybe we can start to put some pressure on them finally ;)

cocoggu 6y ago
I don't think EU will be able to put any pressure on China with food. China still has a lot of different levers in case they lack food. Remember that the US deal actually forced them to buy american agricultural products. They also banned most of Australia food imports since they asked for an international investigation on SARS-CoV-2 origins. They could just lift this ban and Australian politics and farmers would jump on the occasion. There are so many countries who are willing to sell no matter what and no matter who as long as the price is good, and China has a lot of money.

Ericson2314 6y ago

The French move is not sufficient, but that doesn't mean it's not necessary. We will never solve our environment issues until we get over the fear of taking steps first.

jtsiskin 6y ago
Yeah, I don’t understand why small positive changes always are met with “doesn’t matter”. It doesn’t matter in the same way that not littering, turning off the lights, reducing consumption and waste, donating to charity, or voting “doesn’t matter”. Let’s not promote this faulty way of thinking
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  In fairness, individual action that isn't collective doesn't scale from one person to 8 billion. But there are a lot fewer countries than people, and something like this is designed to put pressure on other countries as much as it is to make a dent on its own---it's supposed to spur collective action not be an isolated individual example.

narrator 6y ago

Let's extend the headline to "As Amazon deforestation hits 12 year high, France rejects Brazilian soy in consideration of climate change." Now, let's take the headline and put it into a magical machine that turn what the idealistic well-meaning activists and politicians wanted to happen to the immediate practical outcome of the action. The magical machine that replaces the intention with the practical outcome of the action is simply replacing "climate change" with "the western nations must consume less because China needs cheap commodities and needs to have a competitive advantage over the west to become the dominant global power". Climate change activism in its practical aspect seems to be a never-ending "prisoners dilemma" where the west always cooperates and China always defects. Let's try some more common headlines: "Western nations must reduce their gasoline consumption because of climate change" "We should stop having children because of climate change" "We should stop eating meat because of climate change" Meanwhile China built 3x more coal plants last year than the rest of the world combined. https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2021/02/03/china-built-three-times-as-much-coal-power-in-2020-as-the-rest-of-the-world-combined/ https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2021/02/03/china...