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Definitely agree and a lot of the popular WoW content creators (Bellular, T&E, etc.) seem to agree. They don't always mention casuals, but lack of progression i

by slaymaker1907 5y ago

Definitely agree and a lot of the popular WoW content creators (Bellular, T&E, etc.) seem to agree. They don't always mention casuals, but lack of progression is a major issue, particularly in Shadowlands. As a person spending too much time playing, you are basically forced to do non-LFR raiding, rated PvP, or mythic+ dungeons to actually progress your gear at all. Not to mention they seem to hate flying yet keep creating terrible zones unless you can fly. There aren't clear routes between common locations like roads in Skyrim. That can be ok, but in that case they really need to have a flatter level design like in Oblivion.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> Not to mention they seem to hate flying yet keep creating terrible zones unless you can fly. Yes, this is just an ongoing disaster. My sense from their communications over the years is that, when players fly through zones, that hurts the feelings of the artists, which Blizzard doesn't like. > There aren't clear routes between common locations like roads in Skyrim. I actually really liked how roads were handled in original WoW. They twist and turn, and yet somehow they're always faster than going offroad. And they were reliably safe -- until in Duskwood there's a wolf right on the middle of the road, which added to the atmosphere for me. For the latest expansion, my main complaint is that they provide a bunch of cosmetic features, which they know are a draw -- but you can't use the cosmetics on your other characters. All shadowlands cosmetics are restricted to characters who belong to the particular faction. (Which is, overwhelmingly, just the specific character who unlocked it.) I characterized this once in guild chat as "welcome to Shadowlands! To enjoy this expansion's new content, please wait for the next expansion to release", and got many pained agreements. You can't use your mail-wearing toon to unlock plate cosmetics, either. You need to go through the entire rep grind, again, if you want two sets of cosmetics from the same vendor.
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- TMWNN 5y ago
  >Yes, this is just an ongoing disaster. My sense from their communications over the years is that, when players fly through zones, that hurts the feelings of the artists, which Blizzard doesn't like. Flying should never have been allowed in WoW, period. Beyond the whole issue of players skipping content in zones artists spend months building, the mechanism severely distorts gameplay. A player being able to hover, descend to the ground, pick up an item, then immediately remount and rise back up—avoiding monsters—is ridiculous. If flying had to be introduced, it should at least have been done with some sort of meaningful takeoff/landing process.
  - FreshFries 5y ago
    Hi, yeah that would be me, the guy who "skipping content in zones artists spend months building" and you know why? I do not give a rat's ass about the "artists spend months building" anything, I just need to be there, pick something up or kill something and I am out. With all respect for those who enjoy the "zones artists spend months building", I am here (WoW) just to beat stuff up in a repetitive & predictable way. Until today, I have NO idea in what zone what dungeon is, or what the background of the story is of that particular monster that lives there. I have never seen a cinematic in full, turn off the sounds and run graphics at to the lowest level possible so I see stuff that is relevant (fire) and am not bothered with cosmetics (grass). And I have been p[l] aying this game (on and off) since over 10 years. It is just a nice time waster which allows for easy & cheap boosting so I can show up with the same gear as the addicts.
  - pythonaut_16 5y ago
    A well balanced stamina mechanic would be a great way to implement flying. (Something along the lines of Valheim and Breath of the Wild's stamina mechanics) With some tuning not only would it prevent complete flyovers, it could actually be really fun and add another option for progression. Like a basic mechanic where climbing altitude quickly consumes stamina, while gliding consumes it slowly. Add thermal drafts to strategic locations and let the player improve their flying stamina over time. Now you can limit how much a player can fly and when, and create fun game moments with crash landings in hostile areas when you misjudge your stamina.
kcb 5y ago
> you are basically forced to do non-LFR raiding, rated PvP, or mythic+ dungeons to actually progress your gear at all. Those things are the game though and pretty much always have been. Raids, dungeons, or PvP. If you don't want to do any of them why would you have ever picked up WoW.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  Because LFR Raiding and non-mythic dungeons exist? It's worked in the past, why is the only way to move forward to remove the casual nature of things? I play FFXIV and I like playing with random dungeons, raids, and trials, and it's to advance without having to have a dedicated group or a super intense focus.
- sidlls 5y ago
  They do an incredibly poor job expanding the content. The only thing expansions provide, aside from occasionally requiring the relatively trivial act of learning slightly different class mechanics, is progression content. That is, content that provides new/better gear, more challenging fights, etc. That is: content that heavily rewards a hardcore from day one play style. They consequently are in something of a race against time: the current game is hostile to casual players, who quickly give up and leave when it takes hours to find groups for leveling, and stale to hardcores that “beat” it quickly. So one can intend to play casually or hardcore and be poorly served in both cases.
- Fomite 5y ago
  The thing is, those aren't "Raids", "Dungeons" or "PvP" - they're specific forms of them. You could run dungeons every day, do a fair amount of raids, and a lot of PvP and be left behind because you aren't doing rated PvP or Mythic+ Dungeons. There's not even a "You'll have to put in a lot more time." It's just a lockout.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> Not to mention they seem to hate flying yet keep creating terrible zones unless you can fly. Yes, this is just an ongoing disaster. My sense from their communications over the years is that, when players fly through zones, that hurts the feelings of the artists, which Blizzard doesn't like. > There aren't clear routes between common locations like roads in Skyrim. I actually really liked how roads were handled in original WoW. They twist and turn, and yet somehow they're always faster than going offroad. And they were reliably safe -- until in Duskwood there's a wolf right on the middle of the road, which added to the atmosphere for me. For the latest expansion, my main complaint is that they provide a bunch of cosmetic features, which they know are a draw -- but you can't use the cosmetics on your other characters. All shadowlands cosmetics are restricted to characters who belong to the particular faction. (Which is, overwhelmingly, just the specific character who unlocked it.) I characterized this once in guild chat as "welcome to Shadowlands! To enjoy this expansion's new content, please wait for the next expansion to release", and got many pained agreements. You can't use your mail-wearing toon to unlock plate cosmetics, either. You need to go through the entire rep grind, again, if you want two sets of cosmetics from the same vendor.

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TMWNN 5y ago
>Yes, this is just an ongoing disaster. My sense from their communications over the years is that, when players fly through zones, that hurts the feelings of the artists, which Blizzard doesn't like. Flying should never have been allowed in WoW, period. Beyond the whole issue of players skipping content in zones artists spend months building, the mechanism severely distorts gameplay. A player being able to hover, descend to the ground, pick up an item, then immediately remount and rise back up—avoiding monsters—is ridiculous. If flying had to be introduced, it should at least have been done with some sort of meaningful takeoff/landing process.
- FreshFries 5y ago
  Hi, yeah that would be me, the guy who "skipping content in zones artists spend months building" and you know why? I do not give a rat's ass about the "artists spend months building" anything, I just need to be there, pick something up or kill something and I am out. With all respect for those who enjoy the "zones artists spend months building", I am here (WoW) just to beat stuff up in a repetitive & predictable way. Until today, I have NO idea in what zone what dungeon is, or what the background of the story is of that particular monster that lives there. I have never seen a cinematic in full, turn off the sounds and run graphics at to the lowest level possible so I see stuff that is relevant (fire) and am not bothered with cosmetics (grass). And I have been p[l] aying this game (on and off) since over 10 years. It is just a nice time waster which allows for easy & cheap boosting so I can show up with the same gear as the addicts.
- pythonaut_16 5y ago
  A well balanced stamina mechanic would be a great way to implement flying. (Something along the lines of Valheim and Breath of the Wild's stamina mechanics) With some tuning not only would it prevent complete flyovers, it could actually be really fun and add another option for progression. Like a basic mechanic where climbing altitude quickly consumes stamina, while gliding consumes it slowly. Add thermal drafts to strategic locations and let the player improve their flying stamina over time. Now you can limit how much a player can fly and when, and create fun game moments with crash landings in hostile areas when you misjudge your stamina.

kcb 5y ago

> you are basically forced to do non-LFR raiding, rated PvP, or mythic+ dungeons to actually progress your gear at all. Those things are the game though and pretty much always have been. Raids, dungeons, or PvP. If you don't want to do any of them why would you have ever picked up WoW.

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
Because LFR Raiding and non-mythic dungeons exist? It's worked in the past, why is the only way to move forward to remove the casual nature of things? I play FFXIV and I like playing with random dungeons, raids, and trials, and it's to advance without having to have a dedicated group or a super intense focus.
sidlls 5y ago
They do an incredibly poor job expanding the content. The only thing expansions provide, aside from occasionally requiring the relatively trivial act of learning slightly different class mechanics, is progression content. That is, content that provides new/better gear, more challenging fights, etc. That is: content that heavily rewards a hardcore from day one play style. They consequently are in something of a race against time: the current game is hostile to casual players, who quickly give up and leave when it takes hours to find groups for leveling, and stale to hardcores that “beat” it quickly. So one can intend to play casually or hardcore and be poorly served in both cases.
Fomite 5y ago
The thing is, those aren't "Raids", "Dungeons" or "PvP" - they're specific forms of them. You could run dungeons every day, do a fair amount of raids, and a lot of PvP and be left behind because you aren't doing rated PvP or Mythic+ Dungeons. There's not even a "You'll have to put in a lot more time." It's just a lockout.