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> Just like members of another political party did 4 years earlier What were those lies? There was a foreign influence campaign. There was a bipartisan confirm

by epakai 5y ago

> Just like members of another political party did 4 years earlier What were those lies? There was a foreign influence campaign. There was a bipartisan confirmation of that fact in the Senate. There were suggestions of vote manipulation (based on foreign actors accessing voter roles), but I don't recall any accusations being leveled. Many people thought Trump was an illegitimate president. There was a peaceful change of power. Obama showed up and handed over the reins. The recent elections went much further. "Stop the steal" is pretty strong language. Trump called out particular state elections as having short-counted votes for him. There was wild speculation about counting efforts and voting machine manipulation. People stormed a congressional meeting confirming the outcome. Trump continued to attack our election processes and refused to participate in the inauguration.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
> There was a foreign influence campaign. Rofl. A few thousands dollars bought ads that influenced the election, oh wow! If it was the US citizens who voted, they are free to listen anyone they want. Or you think that US citizens are too stupid to be allowed to judge for themselves, and should be guarded from 'wrong' information? (Of course, we can trust Facebook to decide which info is right, and which not)
- epakai 5y ago
  People are not so immune to propaganda campaigns. Yes, I believe many are stupid. I also believe they should be allowed to judge for themselves. Not everything is worth considering or even being exposed to though. Part of knowing is being aware of who the messenger is. In any case I'll ask again. What were these lies from Democrats? I'm aware of very few lies about voting, voting mechanics, and the validity of the 2016 vote. Looking back in fact I see Trump at that time too claiming voter fraud before the election. He claimed to have won the popular vote after due to illegal voters. Yet he did very little in power to affect these issues then claimed so again.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    > In any case I'll ask again. What were these lies from Democrats? I'm aware of very few lies about voting, voting mechanics, and the validity of the 2016 vote. Start with a basic search and visit first few links: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2016+stolen+elections https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2016+stolen+elections
    - epakai 5y ago
      OK, I see the similarity in the word "steal". It mostly ends there though. Hillary points out a number of events that affected how the public perceived her with a belief that those perceptions were based on untrue things. This doesn't have much to do with our voting, voting mechanics, or the validity of the vote itself. She still conceded.

by epakai 5y ago

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

> There was a foreign influence campaign. Rofl. A few thousands dollars bought ads that influenced the election, oh wow! If it was the US citizens who voted, they are free to listen anyone they want. Or you think that US citizens are too stupid to be allowed to judge for themselves, and should be guarded from 'wrong' information? (Of course, we can trust Facebook to decide which info is right, and which not)

epakai 5y ago
People are not so immune to propaganda campaigns. Yes, I believe many are stupid. I also believe they should be allowed to judge for themselves. Not everything is worth considering or even being exposed to though. Part of knowing is being aware of who the messenger is. In any case I'll ask again. What were these lies from Democrats? I'm aware of very few lies about voting, voting mechanics, and the validity of the 2016 vote. Looking back in fact I see Trump at that time too claiming voter fraud before the election. He claimed to have won the popular vote after due to illegal voters. Yet he did very little in power to affect these issues then claimed so again.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  > In any case I'll ask again. What were these lies from Democrats? I'm aware of very few lies about voting, voting mechanics, and the validity of the 2016 vote. Start with a basic search and visit first few links: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2016+stolen+elections https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2016+stolen+elections
  - epakai 5y ago
    OK, I see the similarity in the word "steal". It mostly ends there though. Hillary points out a number of events that affected how the public perceived her with a belief that those perceptions were based on untrue things. This doesn't have much to do with our voting, voting mechanics, or the validity of the vote itself. She still conceded.