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>I think the problem is that people like James Damore will say that women aren’t suited for work in tech That's something he never said, and even explicitly sa

>I think the problem is that people like James Damore will say that women aren’t suited for work in tech That's something he never said, and even explicitly said the opposite multiple times. The fact that people like you continue to repeat lies about what he said without ever reading what he said (or worse, willfully lying in spite of actually reading it) is why we can't have honest conversations about this.

ackfoobar 6y ago
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Most people don't have a strong enough grasp of statistics. No matter how careful one is with the wording, some can only hear what they are capable of understanding, because they lack the frame of understanding.
- themediasucks 6y ago
  It wasn't Damore's wording that has created the view of his memo that is counterfactual, it was the reporting done by "reputable" journals, who blatantly lied in articles about what the memo said. It was journals like Wired, TechCrunch, the NYT's technology board, Ars Technica, the whole tech media came out of the woodwork to create a false narrative about what Damore wrote and succeeded in getting him terminated. They may have even ruined his life, just some random autistic engineer who accidentally violated their taboo. And Damore isn't the first person mainstream journalists have done this to, they did it with Jordan Peterson, as another example, and they'll make up all kinds of lies if it fits their ideological goals to do so. The sooner people realize that they need to consume "mainstream" journalism with the same skepticism they bring to "alt" journalism or "tabloids," the better off we'll be. In the meantime, the journalists I trust most are the ones that have seen through this game: Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Andrew Sullivan, Bari Weiss, to name a few.
TaylorAlexander 6y ago
I read it and I participated in a lot of conversations with women at Google at the time. That’s my honest recollection of what was written and how people received it. The Damore memo sounds very different to women than to men. I didn’t see that much of a problem with it until I spoke to my female friends. And they pointed out how work like that reinforces serious problems they already have at the workplace. Honestly I think the downvoters remember it differently because men remember it differently from women, and I am remembering all the conversations I had with women while working at Google when the memo came out.
- HideousKojima 6y ago
  The memo is out there for you to directly quote, easily. Feel free to quote any part where Damore said (or even made a thinly veiled suggestion that) women aren't suited to working in tech. No need to rely on memory
  - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
    Ah, sorry. I guess I did not correctly recall the content of the memo. It seems instead he was suggesting that biological differences between men and women are sufficiently real that company policy should be structured in some ways around this phenomenon. I can tell you that the women of Google that I spoke to do not seem to support that or believe it is a good idea.

ackfoobar 6y ago

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Most people don't have a strong enough grasp of statistics. No matter how careful one is with the wording, some can only hear what they are capable of understanding, because they lack the frame of understanding.

themediasucks 6y ago
It wasn't Damore's wording that has created the view of his memo that is counterfactual, it was the reporting done by "reputable" journals, who blatantly lied in articles about what the memo said. It was journals like Wired, TechCrunch, the NYT's technology board, Ars Technica, the whole tech media came out of the woodwork to create a false narrative about what Damore wrote and succeeded in getting him terminated. They may have even ruined his life, just some random autistic engineer who accidentally violated their taboo. And Damore isn't the first person mainstream journalists have done this to, they did it with Jordan Peterson, as another example, and they'll make up all kinds of lies if it fits their ideological goals to do so. The sooner people realize that they need to consume "mainstream" journalism with the same skepticism they bring to "alt" journalism or "tabloids," the better off we'll be. In the meantime, the journalists I trust most are the ones that have seen through this game: Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Andrew Sullivan, Bari Weiss, to name a few.

TaylorAlexander 6y ago

I read it and I participated in a lot of conversations with women at Google at the time. That’s my honest recollection of what was written and how people received it. The Damore memo sounds very different to women than to men. I didn’t see that much of a problem with it until I spoke to my female friends. And they pointed out how work like that reinforces serious problems they already have at the workplace. Honestly I think the downvoters remember it differently because men remember it differently from women, and I am remembering all the conversations I had with women while working at Google when the memo came out.

HideousKojima 6y ago
The memo is out there for you to directly quote, easily. Feel free to quote any part where Damore said (or even made a thinly veiled suggestion that) women aren't suited to working in tech. No need to rely on memory
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  Ah, sorry. I guess I did not correctly recall the content of the memo. It seems instead he was suggesting that biological differences between men and women are sufficiently real that company policy should be structured in some ways around this phenomenon. I can tell you that the women of Google that I spoke to do not seem to support that or believe it is a good idea.