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And how is that different from my Thinkpad?

dubcanada 5y ago
To be honest, nothing. I guess this target audience is more of the "nice looking (looks like a macbook), portable, slim, lightweight, upgradable" target audience. Then the "I already have a upgradable/repairable" laptop audience. Apparently it's modular, but all desktops are "modular", and a fair amount of laptops are "modular" so it's a fairly meaningless word.
- nrp 5y ago
  We really did build this in part as a reaction to the historically modular and repairable notebooks becoming decreasingly so. Even the former standard-bearer for upgradeability, the ThinkPad T4xx (now T14) series no longer has two SO-DIMM sockets. We then took that a few steps further by making the mainboard upgradeable, adding an Expansion Card system for port customization, and enabling personalization through color-customizable bezels and keyboard language selection.
input_sh 5y ago
Well for one, you can swap out the port configuration, though I don't see myself using that. I much prefer connecting one Type C hub than plugging in like six cables to my laptop directly, so I don't really mind laptops with a small amount of I/Os.
jmcz 5y ago
The difference is that the Framework laptop is repairable. https://community.frame.work/t/the-myth-of-the-repairable-thinkpad/950 https://community.frame.work/t/the-myth-of-the-repairable-th... Having worked at a computer repair shop, I can say this will be, by a very large margin, the most repairable laptop in the market. Most defects experienced by laptop users (especially the non-Apple gang) will render the PC a total loss.
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- rxhernandez 5y ago
  X1 carbons aren't exactly known for being the most repairable thinkpads. My new P15 still has a modular gpu and, IIRC, has easy access to most components by removing the back cover.
  - CarelessExpert 5y ago
    And Thinkpads are a) pretty unique in how repairable they are, and b) seen by the public as enterprise workhorses and not sexy or exciting. I personally have an X1C5. I absolutely love it. Best laptop I've ever owned. But I'm still very curious about this thing as it feels like a whole next level in terms of how modular and easy it is to repair while still being lightweight, powerful, and capable.
  - organsnyder 5y ago
    I agree that it's an unfair comparison. X1 Carbon (really, the whole X-series) is the line designed to appeal to those that want thinness and weight reduction at all costs. My T- and P-series machines are very repairable.
    - 3np 5y ago
      Really, how recent is your newest one? The T-series (I’ve owned roughly every other generation since T420) have gotten increasingly less repairable with each release since at least the T430. I was always a fan/happy user, but after the T480(s) I won’t be buying a new Thinkpad anymore. The DRM in the batteries, only one RAM slot, the removal of some port in every new generation... Even the non-carbon ones have the writing on the wall.
      - notjulianjaynes 5y ago
        My T-480 with integrated graphics has two SODIMM sockets. My biggest complaint is there's room in the case for a 2.5" SATA drive, but no way to connect one. Wasn't aware of the battery DRM that's unfortunate.
foodstances 5y ago
Your ThinkPad from 10 years ago or a modern ThinkPad that has soldered on RAM and WiFi chip and an ever-decreasing profile that makes it harder to replace individual components?

To be honest, nothing. I guess this target audience is more of the "nice looking (looks like a macbook), portable, slim, lightweight, upgradable" target audience. Then the "I already have a upgradable/repairable" laptop audience. Apparently it's modular, but all desktops are "modular", and a fair amount of laptops are "modular" so it's a fairly meaningless word.

nrp 5y ago
We really did build this in part as a reaction to the historically modular and repairable notebooks becoming decreasingly so. Even the former standard-bearer for upgradeability, the ThinkPad T4xx (now T14) series no longer has two SO-DIMM sockets. We then took that a few steps further by making the mainboard upgradeable, adding an Expansion Card system for port customization, and enabling personalization through color-customizable bezels and keyboard language selection.

input_sh 5y ago

Well for one, you can swap out the port configuration, though I don't see myself using that. I much prefer connecting one Type C hub than plugging in like six cables to my laptop directly, so I don't really mind laptops with a small amount of I/Os.

jmcz 5y ago

The difference is that the Framework laptop is repairable. https://community.frame.work/t/the-myth-of-the-repairable-thinkpad/950 https://community.frame.work/t/the-myth-of-the-repairable-th... Having worked at a computer repair shop, I can say this will be, by a very large margin, the most repairable laptop in the market. Most defects experienced by laptop users (especially the non-Apple gang) will render the PC a total loss.

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rxhernandez 5y ago
X1 carbons aren't exactly known for being the most repairable thinkpads. My new P15 still has a modular gpu and, IIRC, has easy access to most components by removing the back cover.
- CarelessExpert 5y ago
  And Thinkpads are a) pretty unique in how repairable they are, and b) seen by the public as enterprise workhorses and not sexy or exciting. I personally have an X1C5. I absolutely love it. Best laptop I've ever owned. But I'm still very curious about this thing as it feels like a whole next level in terms of how modular and easy it is to repair while still being lightweight, powerful, and capable.
- organsnyder 5y ago
  I agree that it's an unfair comparison. X1 Carbon (really, the whole X-series) is the line designed to appeal to those that want thinness and weight reduction at all costs. My T- and P-series machines are very repairable.
  - 3np 5y ago
    Really, how recent is your newest one? The T-series (I’ve owned roughly every other generation since T420) have gotten increasingly less repairable with each release since at least the T430. I was always a fan/happy user, but after the T480(s) I won’t be buying a new Thinkpad anymore. The DRM in the batteries, only one RAM slot, the removal of some port in every new generation... Even the non-carbon ones have the writing on the wall.
    - notjulianjaynes 5y ago
      My T-480 with integrated graphics has two SODIMM sockets. My biggest complaint is there's room in the case for a 2.5" SATA drive, but no way to connect one. Wasn't aware of the battery DRM that's unfortunate.

foodstances 5y ago

Your ThinkPad from 10 years ago or a modern ThinkPad that has soldered on RAM and WiFi chip and an ever-decreasing profile that makes it harder to replace individual components?