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> I rarely see talented developers doing this because they're too busy working. I love the privilege on display here. You can ignore racial inequality issues b

> I rarely see talented developers doing this because they're too busy working. I love the privilege on display here. You can ignore racial inequality issues because "they are too distracting," meanwhile I have to wake up each morning, read yet another one of my brothers and sisters has been killed by police, and I still have to run my business. Your mediocrity exist in your complacently to the status-quo. On a daily basis we innovate, build, ship, and push tech more than you could ever hope -- and we don't need to ban "political discussions" at work. If a business chooses to condemn something without backing up that solidarity with meaningful resources and capital, they should be criticized.

JPKab 5y ago
You have no idea how much software I ship, but like your ideology, you make assertions without data. You act as if the only people who are killed by police are "one of my brothers and sisters". Let's unpack that, shall we? https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ Roughly 3/4 of people killed by police in the US are not one of your "brothers and sisters" if by "brothers and sisters" you are referring to humans who share your melanin content and location of ancestral origin (of course all humans are descended from African humans, but to suit the purposes of demagogues, we can ignore that and just stop at the arbitrary point in lineage where we can maximize division to reap power). As you read this, it is extremely likely that you cant name a single one of the non-black people killed by police last year, can you? Of course not. Or even in the last 5 years, can you? There are 3 times as many of these people as the group you are ethnocentrically focused on. Let's also talk about the "sisters" aspect. Statistically, women killed by police are minimal. The referenced website, run by activists, removed the filter for women, but you can download the data yourself to see that it's a minimal amount. Based on the logic of this movement created by people who don't understand basic stats, the discrepancy between men and women must mean that police are systemically sexist against men, right? Because only the outcome matters, and all explanations except bigotry must be ignored. A big difference these days is that when a non-black person is wrongfully shot by police, the complete lack of national media coverage allows the police to get off scot free. See Daniel Shaver, who was recorded on camera being executed, unarmed in his underwear, begging for his life, by a psycho cop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv_eyGw4s3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv_eyGw4s3w Unlike Chauvin, said psycho cop was exonerated and dismissed with a full pension, as if he honorable retired. Where were you and BLM? Nowhere, because it's a bigoted, ethnocentric movement designed to divide rather than unite. You should ask yourself why you used the phrase "brothers and sisters" about people who share your ethnnicity, and why you don't use it for all humans, like I do. Ask yourself if you've been sucked into the precursor to pure racism, ethnocentrism. Ask yourself if you've allowed yourself to be misinformed by media designed to monetize your confirmation bias, rather than inform you.
- SantalBlush 5y ago
  From the first website you link: >Black people were 28% of those killed by police in 2020 despite being only 13% of the population. You basically just proved the point you were replying to, that racial inequality exists in policing.
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  - vtail 5y ago
    This is a very naive view. Black people are responsible for higher share of murders, for example, than their share of population. We should look at the frequency of interactions with the police, not at the population shares.
  - JPKab 5y ago
    Apparently gender inequality exists in policing as well. Why do police almost exclusively murder males, in your opinion? I'm asking in good faith, because I think you have insightful comments and I'm curious, even if I disagree with you on a few things.
    - conductr 5y ago
      I don’t have data to link to but I’m almost certain that if men and women are 50/50 then crime, or police interactions, are more like 80/20. Add onto that math that males have a higher level of aggression and physical ability to pose a threat and I feel the majority of your delta is explained. Just knowing the percentage of men owning guns is way higher than women owning guns would change your perceived threat level based on sex. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/how-male-and-female-gun-owners-in-the-u-s-compare/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/how-male-an... Also feels safe to assume men murder at a higher rate, are cereal killers, and generally a more dangerous type of human than a female.
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throwaway789256 5y ago
What do you want businesses to do? Should they all commit meaningful resources and capital to social justice? What about climate change? Should they also commit meaningful capital and resources to that? How should they balance those with other priorities, like their fiduciary duty to their shareholders?
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nomdep 5y ago
> meanwhile I have to wake up each morning, read yet another one of my brothers and sisters has been killed… Unless they have the same parents, they are not your brothers and sisters more than OP is. Imagine an us-vs-then based on skin color is extremely racist and should be criticized.

JPKab 5y ago

You have no idea how much software I ship, but like your ideology, you make assertions without data. You act as if the only people who are killed by police are "one of my brothers and sisters". Let's unpack that, shall we? https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ Roughly 3/4 of people killed by police in the US are not one of your "brothers and sisters" if by "brothers and sisters" you are referring to humans who share your melanin content and location of ancestral origin (of course all humans are descended from African humans, but to suit the purposes of demagogues, we can ignore that and just stop at the arbitrary point in lineage where we can maximize division to reap power). As you read this, it is extremely likely that you cant name a single one of the non-black people killed by police last year, can you? Of course not. Or even in the last 5 years, can you? There are 3 times as many of these people as the group you are ethnocentrically focused on. Let's also talk about the "sisters" aspect. Statistically, women killed by police are minimal. The referenced website, run by activists, removed the filter for women, but you can download the data yourself to see that it's a minimal amount. Based on the logic of this movement created by people who don't understand basic stats, the discrepancy between men and women must mean that police are systemically sexist against men, right? Because only the outcome matters, and all explanations except bigotry must be ignored. A big difference these days is that when a non-black person is wrongfully shot by police, the complete lack of national media coverage allows the police to get off scot free. See Daniel Shaver, who was recorded on camera being executed, unarmed in his underwear, begging for his life, by a psycho cop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv_eyGw4s3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv_eyGw4s3w Unlike Chauvin, said psycho cop was exonerated and dismissed with a full pension, as if he honorable retired. Where were you and BLM? Nowhere, because it's a bigoted, ethnocentric movement designed to divide rather than unite. You should ask yourself why you used the phrase "brothers and sisters" about people who share your ethnnicity, and why you don't use it for all humans, like I do. Ask yourself if you've been sucked into the precursor to pure racism, ethnocentrism. Ask yourself if you've allowed yourself to be misinformed by media designed to monetize your confirmation bias, rather than inform you.

SantalBlush 5y ago
From the first website you link: >Black people were 28% of those killed by police in 2020 despite being only 13% of the population. You basically just proved the point you were replying to, that racial inequality exists in policing.
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- vtail 5y ago
  This is a very naive view. Black people are responsible for higher share of murders, for example, than their share of population. We should look at the frequency of interactions with the police, not at the population shares.
- JPKab 5y ago
  Apparently gender inequality exists in policing as well. Why do police almost exclusively murder males, in your opinion? I'm asking in good faith, because I think you have insightful comments and I'm curious, even if I disagree with you on a few things.
  - conductr 5y ago
    I don’t have data to link to but I’m almost certain that if men and women are 50/50 then crime, or police interactions, are more like 80/20. Add onto that math that males have a higher level of aggression and physical ability to pose a threat and I feel the majority of your delta is explained. Just knowing the percentage of men owning guns is way higher than women owning guns would change your perceived threat level based on sex. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/how-male-and-female-gun-owners-in-the-u-s-compare/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/how-male-an... Also feels safe to assume men murder at a higher rate, are cereal killers, and generally a more dangerous type of human than a female.
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throwaway789256 5y ago

What do you want businesses to do? Should they all commit meaningful resources and capital to social justice? What about climate change? Should they also commit meaningful capital and resources to that? How should they balance those with other priorities, like their fiduciary duty to their shareholders?

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nomdep 5y ago

> meanwhile I have to wake up each morning, read yet another one of my brothers and sisters has been killed… Unless they have the same parents, they are not your brothers and sisters more than OP is. Imagine an us-vs-then based on skin color is extremely racist and should be criticized.