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Figuring out how to deal with non-destructive microdosing on company time might be a tough call. If he's a genius and this helps him achieve his full genius-hoo

by GCA10 5y ago

Figuring out how to deal with non-destructive microdosing on company time might be a tough call. If he's a genius and this helps him achieve his full genius-hood, then maybe it's tolerable. But microdosing -- and getting the dose wrong! -- puts him in a whole different category. That's just a fundamental inability to act sensibly in risky situations. The board doesn't need to wait for the second example.

colinplamondon 5y ago
He founded a company worth billions - if he was constantly showing up high, sure. Getting dosing wrong, once? As long as he learned from the experience, who cares? This is the kind of incident that plays well in the press, because it generates headlines - like becoming the first word of a headline. Do we really think that the board was so gosh-darn offended that their founder did the wrong LSD dose, once? Or, that there were long-standing disagreements over strategy, direction, and tone? The latter is harder to justify in the normie press, so they're trying to crucify him over some minor incident.
- loves_mangoes 5y ago
  He didn't exactly make a small dosing mistake, though. I can understand accidentally taking 50ug by accident if you're not careful. But he was peaking on much more than a light dose, here! Zhu looked at the screen and saw numbers and images swelling and shrinking, making them impossible to discern. His body felt as if it were melting away, he says That is far from a microdose. This is showing up extremely drunk to the office. As an occasional LSD user, and I can only speak for myself, but I don't ever get enough visuals that I can't read a screen without taking way too much, or without other drugs being involved that have a synergy with LSD.
  - JansjoFromIkea 5y ago
    Would the anxiety of realising you're tripping way more than you intended not potentially result in the effects feeling a lot stronger than it otherwise would feel?
    - loves_mangoes 5y ago
      Mentally, probably. I think would have trouble speaking coherently long before the visuals became a problem, but then again everyone is different. It's not my experience that visuals get much more intense with anxiety. With how long trips and the comeup take, I just have trouble understanding what kind of confidence it must take to walk in the meeting anyways and try to wing it. I would have found any excuse to sober up and get things in order before drunkely stumbling through a big pitch.
  - dntrkv 5y ago
    Getting visuals while looking at a computer screen can definitely happen at small doses. You might not see any visuals looking at the space around you, but black text on a bright white screen will bring it out. And mixing up the dosage is insanely easy with LSD, especially if you are using tabs since the LSD isn't evenly distributed throughout the paper. Also, you never really know how much LSD is on your sheet or in your vial, you just have to trust your source.
    - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
      It should not prevent you from being able to read the screen
      - dntrkv 5y ago
        Yeah, not saying it would. Even at higher doses you can usually read a screen, but the many other psychological effects will make it hard to process what you are reading. Especially, if you aren't experienced with it. My point was that seeing visuals on a screen doesn't necessarily mean it's a large dose, especially for a first time user. Definitely not a microdose, but getting the dosage right is an art.
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    - compiler-guy 5y ago
      So if it is this risky, perhaps he shouldn't have done it for the first time immediately before an important investor meeting.
      - sokoloff 5y ago
        I know quite precisely how much alcohol is in commercial beer that I buy. I wouldn't have even a single beer immediately before an important investor meeting.
  - colinplamondon 5y ago
    If a founder as successful Zsu came in extremely drunk one time, yeah, I think extend him some grace. He fucked up - once. That's ok! Did he kill someone? No. Did he lose a major customer account? No. Did he fire a top employee in a drunken rage? No. He's under a lot of pressure and fucked up in an embarrassing way once. That doesn't mean he has a substance problem. It means he had a bad day. If it happens a second time? Yeah, ok, now it's starting to be a track record. Third? Nuke him. It's ok for people to fuck up sometimes
newsclues 5y ago
What if a person gets their alcohol dosage wrong?
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- IMTDb 5y ago
  If they are a CEO and they do that just before a big investment meeting to the point that everyone notices something is wrong and someone else has to take over the lead. All of that when you know your current investors are trying to reduce the risk of the company. You'd probably be in trouble. And if on top if that you would be freely talking to the press about various issues even after the board has asked you to stop it. You'd be fired. Which is exactly what happened here. If your company is big enough to think going public, "Let's try LSD just before a big meeting" is not exactly the kind of idea you want your CEO to have.

by GCA10 5y ago

colinplamondon 5y ago

He founded a company worth billions - if he was constantly showing up high, sure. Getting dosing wrong, once? As long as he learned from the experience, who cares? This is the kind of incident that plays well in the press, because it generates headlines - like becoming the first word of a headline. Do we really think that the board was so gosh-darn offended that their founder did the wrong LSD dose, once? Or, that there were long-standing disagreements over strategy, direction, and tone? The latter is harder to justify in the normie press, so they're trying to crucify him over some minor incident.

loves_mangoes 5y ago
He didn't exactly make a small dosing mistake, though. I can understand accidentally taking 50ug by accident if you're not careful. But he was peaking on much more than a light dose, here! Zhu looked at the screen and saw numbers and images swelling and shrinking, making them impossible to discern. His body felt as if it were melting away, he says That is far from a microdose. This is showing up extremely drunk to the office. As an occasional LSD user, and I can only speak for myself, but I don't ever get enough visuals that I can't read a screen without taking way too much, or without other drugs being involved that have a synergy with LSD.
- JansjoFromIkea 5y ago
  Would the anxiety of realising you're tripping way more than you intended not potentially result in the effects feeling a lot stronger than it otherwise would feel?
  - loves_mangoes 5y ago
    Mentally, probably. I think would have trouble speaking coherently long before the visuals became a problem, but then again everyone is different. It's not my experience that visuals get much more intense with anxiety. With how long trips and the comeup take, I just have trouble understanding what kind of confidence it must take to walk in the meeting anyways and try to wing it. I would have found any excuse to sober up and get things in order before drunkely stumbling through a big pitch.
- dntrkv 5y ago
  Getting visuals while looking at a computer screen can definitely happen at small doses. You might not see any visuals looking at the space around you, but black text on a bright white screen will bring it out. And mixing up the dosage is insanely easy with LSD, especially if you are using tabs since the LSD isn't evenly distributed throughout the paper. Also, you never really know how much LSD is on your sheet or in your vial, you just have to trust your source.
  - NikolaeVarius 5y ago
    It should not prevent you from being able to read the screen
    - dntrkv 5y ago
      Yeah, not saying it would. Even at higher doses you can usually read a screen, but the many other psychological effects will make it hard to process what you are reading. Especially, if you aren't experienced with it. My point was that seeing visuals on a screen doesn't necessarily mean it's a large dose, especially for a first time user. Definitely not a microdose, but getting the dosage right is an art.
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  - compiler-guy 5y ago
    So if it is this risky, perhaps he shouldn't have done it for the first time immediately before an important investor meeting.
    - sokoloff 5y ago
      I know quite precisely how much alcohol is in commercial beer that I buy. I wouldn't have even a single beer immediately before an important investor meeting.
- colinplamondon 5y ago
  If a founder as successful Zsu came in extremely drunk one time, yeah, I think extend him some grace. He fucked up - once. That's ok! Did he kill someone? No. Did he lose a major customer account? No. Did he fire a top employee in a drunken rage? No. He's under a lot of pressure and fucked up in an embarrassing way once. That doesn't mean he has a substance problem. It means he had a bad day. If it happens a second time? Yeah, ok, now it's starting to be a track record. Third? Nuke him. It's ok for people to fuck up sometimes

newsclues 5y ago

What if a person gets their alcohol dosage wrong?

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IMTDb 5y ago
If they are a CEO and they do that just before a big investment meeting to the point that everyone notices something is wrong and someone else has to take over the lead. All of that when you know your current investors are trying to reduce the risk of the company. You'd probably be in trouble. And if on top if that you would be freely talking to the press about various issues even after the board has asked you to stop it. You'd be fired. Which is exactly what happened here. If your company is big enough to think going public, "Let's try LSD just before a big meeting" is not exactly the kind of idea you want your CEO to have.