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My biggest fear with these scenarios is not really the hacking but law-enforcement agencies undermining civil rights by forcing Tesla or other self-driving car-

My biggest fear with these scenarios is not really the hacking but law-enforcement agencies undermining civil rights by forcing Tesla or other self-driving car-makers to redirect cars against a customer's will. I feel like an episode of Westworld alluded to this scenario at some point. I come from a country where minorities have historically had a bad time at the hands of authorities, and I can see said authorities salivating at this prospect.

gregoriol 5y ago
Cars can already be stopped when stolen, it has been available for many years I think, it's not about Tesla or self-driving. The new thing with some current and most future cars is that everything will be controlled by a computer that has software that is connected to internet and even Wi-Fi, which makes it prone to "computer hacks" we know so well. From that point, the problems being faced come from both worlds: car world (stealing, accident, ...) and computer world (access to location or cameras, ransomware, ...).
- data_acquired 5y ago
  That's true. Do you know of prominent cases where law-enforcement abused the ability to remotely stop a car?
  - spicybright 5y ago
    Either way, I'm sure police would push hard to stop any car chase, or sometimes simple pull overs I'd imagine.
- judge2020 5y ago
  For reference: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/12/17/1961557/0/en/Remote-Vehicle-Shutdown-Market-To-Reach-USD-723-65-Million-By-2026-Reports-And-Data.html#:~:text=Remote%20Vehicle%20Shutdown%20refers%20to,caused%20due%20to%20dangerous%20driving https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/12/17/196155....
_pmf_ 5y ago
> law-enforcement agencies undermining civil rights by forcing Tesla or other self-driving car-makers to redirect cars against a customer's will Seems safer for the customer than a spike mat or a shot to the tyre.
bagacrap 5y ago
Car chases are dangerous, seems like it would be good to put a stop to them permanently. Cops can already mess up your day pretty badly if they decide you're a threat; if anything, taking over the steering of my car would be the most non violent option.
jpindar 5y ago
See Cory Doctorow's Car Wars for a fictional treatment of this. I can't seem to find the full text online at the moment.
- jpindar 5y ago
  Found it. https://limn.it/articles/car-wars/ https://limn.it/articles/car-wars/

gregoriol 5y ago

Cars can already be stopped when stolen, it has been available for many years I think, it's not about Tesla or self-driving. The new thing with some current and most future cars is that everything will be controlled by a computer that has software that is connected to internet and even Wi-Fi, which makes it prone to "computer hacks" we know so well. From that point, the problems being faced come from both worlds: car world (stealing, accident, ...) and computer world (access to location or cameras, ransomware, ...).

data_acquired 5y ago
That's true. Do you know of prominent cases where law-enforcement abused the ability to remotely stop a car?
- spicybright 5y ago
  Either way, I'm sure police would push hard to stop any car chase, or sometimes simple pull overs I'd imagine.
judge2020 5y ago
For reference: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/12/17/1961557/0/en/Remote-Vehicle-Shutdown-Market-To-Reach-USD-723-65-Million-By-2026-Reports-And-Data.html#:~:text=Remote%20Vehicle%20Shutdown%20refers%20to,caused%20due%20to%20dangerous%20driving https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/12/17/196155....

_pmf_ 5y ago

> law-enforcement agencies undermining civil rights by forcing Tesla or other self-driving car-makers to redirect cars against a customer's will Seems safer for the customer than a spike mat or a shot to the tyre.

bagacrap 5y ago

Car chases are dangerous, seems like it would be good to put a stop to them permanently. Cops can already mess up your day pretty badly if they decide you're a threat; if anything, taking over the steering of my car would be the most non violent option.

jpindar 5y ago

See Cory Doctorow's Car Wars for a fictional treatment of this. I can't seem to find the full text online at the moment.

jpindar 5y ago
Found it. https://limn.it/articles/car-wars/ https://limn.it/articles/car-wars/