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A lot of the big safety wins (seat belts, airbags, side airbags, backup cams, crumple zones) came before the start of the electronics takeover. You can easily f

A lot of the big safety wins (seat belts, airbags, side airbags, backup cams, crumple zones) came before the start of the electronics takeover. You can easily find a decently safe car that doesn't spy on you. And for a few hundred bucks you can easily install a new stereo in them that'll work with Carplay and Android Auto.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
This. The safety improvement from successive features is logarithmic or close to it. Seatbelts win you the overwhelming majority of the safety. Bucket seats with headrests get you most of what's left. Stiff passenger cabin (i.e. the difference between a car from 1981 and 2001) gets you most of the remainder. Airbags, crumple zones, belt pre-tensioners and all the other high tech stuff that the internet worships are basically a rounding error compared to "a strong cabin and some basic stuff to keep the occupants in the right place inside it".
- judge2020 5y ago
  I don't know, small overlap crashes (which include impact on only about one fifth of the bumper on the driver-side) have only recently been prioritized (circa 2014) and that's when all of the technology seeped into every car model, even on the low end of the new car market. https://youtu.be/TZC8Ykl1esE https://youtu.be/TZC8Ykl1esE https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/status-report/pdf/49/11 https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/status-report/pdf... (starting page 4)
mrtksn 5y ago
Sure, you can do with no electronics but with electronics you can do that and more. These days, even the cheapo cars have stuff like ESP, Crash Prevention, Blind Spot monitoring, Lane assist and more systems that compensate greatly for driver skills and human errors. The electronics are good at crash prevention and in the pre-electronics, the crash prevention is non existent besides for lightning, markings and the horn.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

This. The safety improvement from successive features is logarithmic or close to it. Seatbelts win you the overwhelming majority of the safety. Bucket seats with headrests get you most of what's left. Stiff passenger cabin (i.e. the difference between a car from 1981 and 2001) gets you most of the remainder. Airbags, crumple zones, belt pre-tensioners and all the other high tech stuff that the internet worships are basically a rounding error compared to "a strong cabin and some basic stuff to keep the occupants in the right place inside it".

judge2020 5y ago
I don't know, small overlap crashes (which include impact on only about one fifth of the bumper on the driver-side) have only recently been prioritized (circa 2014) and that's when all of the technology seeped into every car model, even on the low end of the new car market. https://youtu.be/TZC8Ykl1esE https://youtu.be/TZC8Ykl1esE https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/status-report/pdf/49/11 https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/status-report/pdf... (starting page 4)

mrtksn 5y ago

Sure, you can do with no electronics but with electronics you can do that and more. These days, even the cheapo cars have stuff like ESP, Crash Prevention, Blind Spot monitoring, Lane assist and more systems that compensate greatly for driver skills and human errors. The electronics are good at crash prevention and in the pre-electronics, the crash prevention is non existent besides for lightning, markings and the horn.