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No wonder EU cars are so expensive.

Hamuko 5y ago
All new cars sold in the United States of America must have a backup camera. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/03/31/nhtsa-rear-view-cameras/7114531/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/03/31/nhtsa-re... European airbag regulations also allow for smaller airbags that explode with less force since US regulations require automotive manufacturers to assume an unbelted driver. ECE specifications are based on people wearing seatbelts.
- angry_octet 5y ago
  That's great. But mandating an embedded cell phone? Hopefully it is a fully independent system that only turns on after a collision, but it still has a spooky big brother aspect to it. I don't know what your point is about airbags. Some sort of weird defence of European safety standards?
  - EricE 5y ago
    I’m shocked insurance companies aren’t demanding access to telemetry in order to get decent rates. The airbag thing was a dig that Americans are too stupid to wear seatbelts :p
    - Leherenn 5y ago
      I have to admit I don't know if you're sarcastic or not, but it certainly exists in Europe. You can have reduced rates (by quite a bit) if you install some special hardware to record how you drive.
    - angry_octet 5y ago
      I looked at the insurance plans that give a safe driving / low km bonus, they use a device that plugs I to the car diagnostics port. But it's actually a sham -- you get a discount on the next year, not the past year, so it's just a trick to get you to renew. I thought the seatbelt thing was a dig at Americans, who I never mentioned, and blatant whataboutism, but whatever. For the countries with the highest death rates (~80/million), which are poorer former Eastern Block countries, they predominantly occur in urban areas. Making cars 0.1% safer for Germans/French/Swedish, who have >50% of fatalities in the countryside, makes cars more expensive for the whole block, delaying the changeover to cars with massive safety features, like monocoque passenger safety cells, ABS/ESC and airbags. Incidentally,10% of US fatalities occured where no seat belt was worn.[1] In the UK this was 30%, but with a quarter of the fatality rate. All you can say is that people without seat belts on die. [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...
- EricE 5y ago
  Yes - love one size fits all regulations like this. It’s so rediculous seeing Mazda Miata’s with mandatory backup cameras :p

All new cars sold in the United States of America must have a backup camera. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/03/31/nhtsa-rear-view-cameras/7114531/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/03/31/nhtsa-re... European airbag regulations also allow for smaller airbags that explode with less force since US regulations require automotive manufacturers to assume an unbelted driver. ECE specifications are based on people wearing seatbelts.

angry_octet 5y ago
That's great. But mandating an embedded cell phone? Hopefully it is a fully independent system that only turns on after a collision, but it still has a spooky big brother aspect to it. I don't know what your point is about airbags. Some sort of weird defence of European safety standards?
- EricE 5y ago
  I’m shocked insurance companies aren’t demanding access to telemetry in order to get decent rates. The airbag thing was a dig that Americans are too stupid to wear seatbelts :p
  - Leherenn 5y ago
    I have to admit I don't know if you're sarcastic or not, but it certainly exists in Europe. You can have reduced rates (by quite a bit) if you install some special hardware to record how you drive.
  - angry_octet 5y ago
    I looked at the insurance plans that give a safe driving / low km bonus, they use a device that plugs I to the car diagnostics port. But it's actually a sham -- you get a discount on the next year, not the past year, so it's just a trick to get you to renew. I thought the seatbelt thing was a dig at Americans, who I never mentioned, and blatant whataboutism, but whatever. For the countries with the highest death rates (~80/million), which are poorer former Eastern Block countries, they predominantly occur in urban areas. Making cars 0.1% safer for Germans/French/Swedish, who have >50% of fatalities in the countryside, makes cars more expensive for the whole block, delaying the changeover to cars with massive safety features, like monocoque passenger safety cells, ABS/ESC and airbags. Incidentally,10% of US fatalities occured where no seat belt was worn.[1] In the UK this was 30%, but with a quarter of the fatality rate. All you can say is that people without seat belts on die. [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...
EricE 5y ago
Yes - love one size fits all regulations like this. It’s so rediculous seeing Mazda Miata’s with mandatory backup cameras :p