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Sounds like a huge generalization. I worked in China for a few years and saw the full spectrum, from maximum half-assingness to autistic perfectionism. We have

Sounds like a huge generalization. I worked in China for a few years and saw the full spectrum, from maximum half-assingness to autistic perfectionism. We have the same palette also here in Germany. The big difference is the level of education and experience. While we Germans do stuff for 150 years with 0 disruption since the industrial revolution, the Chinese started at 0 somewhere in the 90s. Ah, yes, and the corruption, this is another thing they have to improve in order to become true market leaders in the industries they want to lead in.

EForEndeavour 5y ago
I can think of more than a couple of "disruptions" to German society since the industrial revolution.
- hyuuu 5y ago
  not disruptions but more like boost in industrial production of things
  - Bayart 5y ago
    WW2 ravaged German industry and infrastructure. But it did not suffer a collapse of society and rule of law, which matters more.
jackTheMan 5y ago
I would add that the lack of religion might also contributes to the chabuduo in China. As earning money overwrites everything over make things proper (or with pride). Also as the population is supersized the parazite behaviour can survive much better than in smaller places. This might can be compensated with the pointing system in the world of internet thou. Anyway I don't think it's an overgeneralization. It is probably not the case for space rocket, but chabuduo also means the taped-together-bikes, the messy meat shop, driving the other side of the road, even if invisible following the promises standards etc. You meat with this every day guaranteed. If somewhere than in Germany people are following the rules, tidy their environment etc. very very far from China. Just take one example of the blind guide tiles. In Beijing and Shanghai I've already lost counts how many times it leads to an obstacle like cable post. In Germany, there would be not even one case even in country side...
- dang 5y ago
  I appreciate that your comment is based on personal experience but, just as a heads-up, bringing up religion in this context is highly likely to lead to a religious flamewar. Large internet forums simply can't handle discussing it, especially when the root topic is already controversial. I'm sure you didn't mean to include flamebait in your comment!

EForEndeavour 5y ago

I can think of more than a couple of "disruptions" to German society since the industrial revolution.

hyuuu 5y ago
not disruptions but more like boost in industrial production of things
- Bayart 5y ago
  WW2 ravaged German industry and infrastructure. But it did not suffer a collapse of society and rule of law, which matters more.

jackTheMan 5y ago

I would add that the lack of religion might also contributes to the chabuduo in China. As earning money overwrites everything over make things proper (or with pride). Also as the population is supersized the parazite behaviour can survive much better than in smaller places. This might can be compensated with the pointing system in the world of internet thou. Anyway I don't think it's an overgeneralization. It is probably not the case for space rocket, but chabuduo also means the taped-together-bikes, the messy meat shop, driving the other side of the road, even if invisible following the promises standards etc. You meat with this every day guaranteed. If somewhere than in Germany people are following the rules, tidy their environment etc. very very far from China. Just take one example of the blind guide tiles. In Beijing and Shanghai I've already lost counts how many times it leads to an obstacle like cable post. In Germany, there would be not even one case even in country side...

dang 5y ago
I appreciate that your comment is based on personal experience but, just as a heads-up, bringing up religion in this context is highly likely to lead to a religious flamewar. Large internet forums simply can't handle discussing it, especially when the root topic is already controversial. I'm sure you didn't mean to include flamebait in your comment!