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The problem is that it's not about human language. If it was about human language, the consortium would give a shit about Bengali speakers. It's about the sensi

The problem is that it's not about human language. If it was about human language, the consortium would give a shit about Bengali speakers. It's about the sensibilities of a small, particular group of privileged people, in a particular time at a particular place, who consider their weird priorities to be universal. Let's not forget that adding all this complexity to Unicode has a real burden for people who implement Unicode. In practice, the consortium has to prioritize what symbols to support. So, in practice, it's less "embracing all variants of human expression", and more "the ability to communicate in your native language doesn't matter as much as the gender identity of this police emoji".

542458 5y ago
What’s wrong with the Bengali character set? A Google search doesn’t show any discussion on limitations here. And while power and privilege do inevitably play an unintended role in prioritization, Unicode successfully encodes several entirely dead languages - so it’s not like everything not relevant to English speakers has fallen by the wayside. And while you’re correct that emojii do require some amount of UTC resources, it’s worth noting that most of that work is done by a special subcommittee to not distract from the mainline work of other languages, and that emojii have brought new attention and new volunteers to TUC - so I’m not sure how significant the impact of adding emojii to their workload really is.
- dijit 5y ago
  The issues with Bengali writing are a large portion of TFA, I would highly recommend reading submitted articles before commenting.
  - 542458 5y ago
    I apologize, I missed your link. But please don’t assume hostility for me missing a URL - I was clearly interested enough in the issue to do a Google search. In any case, please see the comments on the HN post (linked by a sibling comment) for that. The issue is in fact wickedly complex, and it’s not clear (even among Bengali speakers) that this is a deficiency in Unicode (vs a deficiency in text entry and rendering software).
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  - lupire 5y ago
    You appear to be confusing the submitted article with the article linked from a comment, with was put in context (and I'm being extremely charitable to the Bengali article OP with this language) here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162
- treebog 5y ago
  Blog post and interesting HN discussion on Bengali/Unicode https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162 I would summarize the key issues here, but they are complex and I don’t feel qualified to do them justice.
stdbrouw 5y ago
> Let's not forget that adding all this complexity to Unicode has a real burden for people who implement Unicode. We're talking about emoji for crying out loud, the entire idea is frivolous (and that's fine!)

542458 5y ago

What’s wrong with the Bengali character set? A Google search doesn’t show any discussion on limitations here. And while power and privilege do inevitably play an unintended role in prioritization, Unicode successfully encodes several entirely dead languages - so it’s not like everything not relevant to English speakers has fallen by the wayside. And while you’re correct that emojii do require some amount of UTC resources, it’s worth noting that most of that work is done by a special subcommittee to not distract from the mainline work of other languages, and that emojii have brought new attention and new volunteers to TUC - so I’m not sure how significant the impact of adding emojii to their workload really is.

dijit 5y ago
The issues with Bengali writing are a large portion of TFA, I would highly recommend reading submitted articles before commenting.
- 542458 5y ago
  I apologize, I missed your link. But please don’t assume hostility for me missing a URL - I was clearly interested enough in the issue to do a Google search. In any case, please see the comments on the HN post (linked by a sibling comment) for that. The issue is in fact wickedly complex, and it’s not clear (even among Bengali speakers) that this is a deficiency in Unicode (vs a deficiency in text entry and rendering software).
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- lupire 5y ago
  You appear to be confusing the submitted article with the article linked from a comment, with was put in context (and I'm being extremely charitable to the Bengali article OP with this language) here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162
treebog 5y ago
Blog post and interesting HN discussion on Bengali/Unicode https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9219162 I would summarize the key issues here, but they are complex and I don’t feel qualified to do them justice.

stdbrouw 5y ago

> Let's not forget that adding all this complexity to Unicode has a real burden for people who implement Unicode. We're talking about emoji for crying out loud, the entire idea is frivolous (and that's fine!)