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Internet porn uses a tremendous amount of energy....is it useful material? What's the new criteria to cut off energy to paying customers? Seems like censorship

Internet porn uses a tremendous amount of energy....is it useful material? What's the new criteria to cut off energy to paying customers? Seems like censorship-happy people are creating a new weapon. Be careful when supporting measures like this.

w0de0 5y ago
How is banning Bitcoin censorship? Seems like a great law to me; laws are usually the best way to prevent a tragedy of the commons. I’m also pretty burned out on all the crypto fans warning of a slippery slope to tyranny if crypto is not allowed to operate in a libertarian free market. Come on. Not everything is a road to tyranny. We live in a state of laws and sometimes those laws impact you. It doesn’t mean that’s you’re the victim of the early stages of a fascist regime. It’s childish to think so, in my opinion.
- bingbong70 5y ago
  >How is banning Bitcoin censorship? Financial transactions/trade is the most honest form of communication. Bitcoin enables unrestricted financial transactions aka free speech.
  - w0de0 5y ago
    Ah yes. It was inspiring when Lucian expressed deep truths of human nature by paying an extra solidus for a sacrificial sheep.
    - bingbong70 5y ago
      I'm not sure you understand my point, I will expand a bit. We rely on markets for information. Falsely signaling to market participants demand for 1M sheep through a financial transaction costs you the price of 1M sheep. It is the most honest form of communication because the penalty for false/dishonest signaling is built in.
      - w0de0 5y ago
        I believe I understand your point. In an important way, I don't disagree. A financial transaction is an inherently honest communication between buyer and seller - the clarity of the signal that buying and selling sends is the mechanism behind the efficiency of free markets. I agree with this. Is it close to your point? My point is that there's not much value in this honesty beyond the efficiency of markets. It can't be used to express complex ideas, to make logical proofs, or create art. It may be honest, but it is not truthful. Moreover, though communication in free markets is honest, it does not constitute "speech" in the sense of free speech. It is what it is: trade. Not all actions, even if the action expresses the actor's unique will, are speech. Markets should not be optimized on the idea that participating in them is speaking freely. Free enterprise is its own good, separate from free speech, and with its own ends. Confusing the two grants undue protections to those with the ability to "speak" loudest via a financial transaction. Confusing the two allows us to turn our political civitas into a parody of a free market, openly allowing the will of public officers to be bought by the "speech" of the rich.
        bingbong70 5y ago
        There is some overlap between our discussion and the Citizens United v FEC case, and though I was adamantly against the idea upon first glance, after reading the arguments it became clear to me that money was in fact speech, especially in the US. So I must disagree with your assessment.
- moistbar 5y ago
  How does shutting something down for 3 years to find out information we already know not count as censorship? The environmental claim only really applies to Bitcoin, and yet it's a full moratorium on all cryptocurrency, even those that use PoS.
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w0de0 5y ago

How is banning Bitcoin censorship? Seems like a great law to me; laws are usually the best way to prevent a tragedy of the commons. I’m also pretty burned out on all the crypto fans warning of a slippery slope to tyranny if crypto is not allowed to operate in a libertarian free market. Come on. Not everything is a road to tyranny. We live in a state of laws and sometimes those laws impact you. It doesn’t mean that’s you’re the victim of the early stages of a fascist regime. It’s childish to think so, in my opinion.

bingbong70 5y ago
>How is banning Bitcoin censorship? Financial transactions/trade is the most honest form of communication. Bitcoin enables unrestricted financial transactions aka free speech.
- w0de0 5y ago
  Ah yes. It was inspiring when Lucian expressed deep truths of human nature by paying an extra solidus for a sacrificial sheep.
  - bingbong70 5y ago
    I'm not sure you understand my point, I will expand a bit. We rely on markets for information. Falsely signaling to market participants demand for 1M sheep through a financial transaction costs you the price of 1M sheep. It is the most honest form of communication because the penalty for false/dishonest signaling is built in.
    - w0de0 5y ago
      I believe I understand your point. In an important way, I don't disagree. A financial transaction is an inherently honest communication between buyer and seller - the clarity of the signal that buying and selling sends is the mechanism behind the efficiency of free markets. I agree with this. Is it close to your point? My point is that there's not much value in this honesty beyond the efficiency of markets. It can't be used to express complex ideas, to make logical proofs, or create art. It may be honest, but it is not truthful. Moreover, though communication in free markets is honest, it does not constitute "speech" in the sense of free speech. It is what it is: trade. Not all actions, even if the action expresses the actor's unique will, are speech. Markets should not be optimized on the idea that participating in them is speaking freely. Free enterprise is its own good, separate from free speech, and with its own ends. Confusing the two grants undue protections to those with the ability to "speak" loudest via a financial transaction. Confusing the two allows us to turn our political civitas into a parody of a free market, openly allowing the will of public officers to be bought by the "speech" of the rich.
      - bingbong70 5y ago
        There is some overlap between our discussion and the Citizens United v FEC case, and though I was adamantly against the idea upon first glance, after reading the arguments it became clear to me that money was in fact speech, especially in the US. So I must disagree with your assessment.
moistbar 5y ago
How does shutting something down for 3 years to find out information we already know not count as censorship? The environmental claim only really applies to Bitcoin, and yet it's a full moratorium on all cryptocurrency, even those that use PoS.
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