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Hmm not sure where the problem is. With IAM you can create a policy to limit the user to only use certain services, deploy only the cheapest type of instance ty

Hmm not sure where the problem is. With IAM you can create a policy to limit the user to only use certain services, deploy only the cheapest type of instance type, limit the region, the time of day etc. All of this and more is built in to IAM by default. You can even create a CloudFormation as a internal product this way you can limit even more what people do, and budget for that. And on top of that you can make a Lambda that is triggered every 1h to shut down unused resources or send a warning to shut it down, if not, it will go down the next day. The possibilities are endless. I personally don't see the IBM comparison.

blabitty 5y ago
Is it reasonable to expect a brand new aws user to know how to do those things?
- davidgatti 5y ago
  The same as it is not expected by anyone to know how to ride a bike or drive a car. Someone has to teach you or you have to go and take a course. Same with any technology, you should read first all the documentation that there is, watch all the videos that AWS releases every year for free where they explain in detail every service that they have, and try to explain the best practices of it - this is all for free, or you could spend $1000 for a course, instead of risking to lose $10.000. If you jump in to the water without knowing how to swim, and then get angry at the water because you drown - well... After 18 years of age you become a grown up, because your parents are not responsible for you anymore. You become responsible for yourself. That is what distinguish a child from a grown up. Of course a parent needs also to tech you responsibility and what it means. Mine for example never did, and I had to learn life the hard way. At first I was blaming others, but then I realized that to really grow up, I need to stop blaming others and start owning my mistakes. So, it is not expected for anyone to know everything, but it is expected that if you want to learn something new, you need to first research the topic.
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  - puszczyk 5y ago
    You can by insure for you as a driver and for your car (and in many jurisdictions have to) — this limits your responsibility. You can spend $10000 on AWS and still make a mistake and pay another $10k+. I don’t get the point that AWS docs are free. I mean, they are free, but the services are not. Do you pay for a visit in a car dealership?
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > You can by insure for you as a driver and for your car (and in many jurisdictions have to) — this limits your responsibility Real insurance policies have maximum coverage limits, so, while it reduces your liability by a capped amount, it doesn’t, strictly speaking, limit it; you still face unbounded potential liability beyond your insurance coverage.
      - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
        what's the biggest unexpected billing of AWS fees reported? I'm thinking 100,000 seems unlikely to be reached very often. on edit: this is not to say that I believe an insurance for this kind of thing would really work (although maybe that is because I know nothing about the insurance business) just that I don't think the problem with the insurance would be that you could always end up getting billed more than you were insured for.
  - ryan29 5y ago
    > I need to stop blaming others and start owning my mistakes. There's a big difference between owning up to your mistakes and taking on a bunch of unnecessary risk in situations where you know it's more likely you're going to make mistakes. IE: Learning, testing, etc.. In fact taking on unnecessary, possibly unlimited financial risk in a situation like that is a mistake. Want to own that one?
  - onion2k 5y ago

blabitty 5y ago

Is it reasonable to expect a brand new aws user to know how to do those things?

davidgatti 5y ago
The same as it is not expected by anyone to know how to ride a bike or drive a car. Someone has to teach you or you have to go and take a course. Same with any technology, you should read first all the documentation that there is, watch all the videos that AWS releases every year for free where they explain in detail every service that they have, and try to explain the best practices of it - this is all for free, or you could spend $1000 for a course, instead of risking to lose $10.000. If you jump in to the water without knowing how to swim, and then get angry at the water because you drown - well... After 18 years of age you become a grown up, because your parents are not responsible for you anymore. You become responsible for yourself. That is what distinguish a child from a grown up. Of course a parent needs also to tech you responsibility and what it means. Mine for example never did, and I had to learn life the hard way. At first I was blaming others, but then I realized that to really grow up, I need to stop blaming others and start owning my mistakes. So, it is not expected for anyone to know everything, but it is expected that if you want to learn something new, you need to first research the topic.
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- puszczyk 5y ago
  You can by insure for you as a driver and for your car (and in many jurisdictions have to) — this limits your responsibility. You can spend $10000 on AWS and still make a mistake and pay another $10k+. I don’t get the point that AWS docs are free. I mean, they are free, but the services are not. Do you pay for a visit in a car dealership?
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > You can by insure for you as a driver and for your car (and in many jurisdictions have to) — this limits your responsibility Real insurance policies have maximum coverage limits, so, while it reduces your liability by a capped amount, it doesn’t, strictly speaking, limit it; you still face unbounded potential liability beyond your insurance coverage.
    - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
      what's the biggest unexpected billing of AWS fees reported? I'm thinking 100,000 seems unlikely to be reached very often. on edit: this is not to say that I believe an insurance for this kind of thing would really work (although maybe that is because I know nothing about the insurance business) just that I don't think the problem with the insurance would be that you could always end up getting billed more than you were insured for.
- ryan29 5y ago
  > I need to stop blaming others and start owning my mistakes. There's a big difference between owning up to your mistakes and taking on a bunch of unnecessary risk in situations where you know it's more likely you're going to make mistakes. IE: Learning, testing, etc.. In fact taking on unnecessary, possibly unlimited financial risk in a situation like that is a mistake. Want to own that one?
- onion2k 5y ago