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This happened in 2014 when this same group believed that they could win the governership of a conservative state with an abortion-supporter. I'm not making a ju

This happened in 2014 when this same group believed that they could win the governership of a conservative state with an abortion-supporter. I'm not making a judgment on that position, I'm just saying that it completely misunderstands the culture of a state, to a scary, scary degree, part of why they don't win. Trump is and was a fraud, liar, and fool. But even Crazy Ted Cruz opposed him. The Bushes were obviously appalled by him. He won due to Twitter and new political dynamics. We face a repeat of him if we keep electing ignorant and arrogant celebrities that can't take responsibility. Trump's opponent in 2016 lost due to arrogance, Weiner being a predator, and a repeated series of unforced errors. Their own history is full of recorded lies and power grabs and being late to the party like supporting gay marriage. Their husband was the last president before Trump that was impeached for lying about sexual impropriety yet called it a vast right wing conspiracy (yikes). Well, ahead of the game there. We can choose to pay attention to this or not, but I'll tell you what I'm sick of being promised things by liars that know exactly (or worse, don't) what the are doing.

jolux 5y ago
You turned this into a political flame war for no reason at all. The head of this thread doesn’t say anything about Republicans or Democrats. People didn’t leave because Ryan Singer was acting Republican, they left because he was acting racist. No reason to conflate the two if you believe they’re unrelated.
- gustavo-fring 5y ago
  This is not a flame war, rather an analysis of what happened. Is that not possible? We really at the point that trying to discuss this objectively is seen as a threat of "war"? Who is Singer? Is this thread not an example of the misunderstanding we are talking about? You think I'm acting in bad faith, but really I just want to talk about this, because we don't solve it unless we try.
  - jolux 5y ago
    Ryan Singer is the higher-up mentioned who said in the middle of an all-hands that trying to fix Basecamp’s racial insensitivity problem would end up targeting him as a white man.
    - gustavo-fring 5y ago
      Yes and the discussion is about how we do conflate the two, sometimes correctly and sometimes incorrectly.
      - jolux 5y ago
        The discussion is about how a company should handle a situation where one employee is making a significant number of others feel unwelcome because of the color of their skin or their commitment to anti-racism. Party politics only factors into it if you think people make decisions about who to associate with primarily by extrapolating voting habits from others’ behavior instead of assessing the behavior itself.
        gustavo-fring 5y ago
        I get what you are saying. What led to my jumping off to that topic is the original post gets into the usual "politics is everywhere" meme (paraphrasing). If this is the case then the discussion about parties is more than a littel relevant. I'm trying to get across where the pushback comes from on seemingly obvious issues like racism.

jolux 5y ago

You turned this into a political flame war for no reason at all. The head of this thread doesn’t say anything about Republicans or Democrats. People didn’t leave because Ryan Singer was acting Republican, they left because he was acting racist. No reason to conflate the two if you believe they’re unrelated.

gustavo-fring 5y ago
This is not a flame war, rather an analysis of what happened. Is that not possible? We really at the point that trying to discuss this objectively is seen as a threat of "war"? Who is Singer? Is this thread not an example of the misunderstanding we are talking about? You think I'm acting in bad faith, but really I just want to talk about this, because we don't solve it unless we try.
- jolux 5y ago
  Ryan Singer is the higher-up mentioned who said in the middle of an all-hands that trying to fix Basecamp’s racial insensitivity problem would end up targeting him as a white man.
  - gustavo-fring 5y ago
    Yes and the discussion is about how we do conflate the two, sometimes correctly and sometimes incorrectly.
    - jolux 5y ago
      The discussion is about how a company should handle a situation where one employee is making a significant number of others feel unwelcome because of the color of their skin or their commitment to anti-racism. Party politics only factors into it if you think people make decisions about who to associate with primarily by extrapolating voting habits from others’ behavior instead of assessing the behavior itself.
      - gustavo-fring 5y ago
        I get what you are saying. What led to my jumping off to that topic is the original post gets into the usual "politics is everywhere" meme (paraphrasing). If this is the case then the discussion about parties is more than a littel relevant. I'm trying to get across where the pushback comes from on seemingly obvious issues like racism.