> Shaming people of any kind is counter productive. I wholeheartedly disagree. Anytime that a behavior X is considered undesirable by society, the people who e

> Shaming people of any kind is counter productive. I wholeheartedly disagree. Anytime that a behavior X is considered undesirable by society, the people who engage in behavior X feel ashamed about it and there is a stigma surrounding people who do X. Any culture that is not completely neutral on all matters shames people. Such a culture could never exist in the real world because it would be very inhuman. Whether or not fat people are shamed by others is really a question of how people collectively feel about fatness. I say that it's a good thing that people collectively assign negative value to fatness since it is a sign of general unfitness and ill health. I'm not saying that we all should go out and bully fat people, but I do think that this "normalize fatness" movement is very misguided. If what you believe is that positive reinforcement (Giving the dog a treat when they do a trick) is good and negative reinforcement (Beating the dog when they do something wrong) is bad, then why not support "normalizing fitness" rather than "normalizing fatness?"