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Do what I did in February: Quit. Life's too short to waste time at a company that's forgotten it's purpose. This ideology borders on cult like. A good sign

by JPKab 5y ago

Do what I did in February: Quit. Life's too short to waste time at a company that's forgotten it's purpose. This ideology borders on cult like. A good sign that you are dealing with an irrational ideology is non-sensical, illogical and inconsisten rules. For example, in this article, "Black" is capitalized everywhere its mentioned, and "white" isn't. There's nothing logically consistent about this, because it's a borderline religious ideology.

thrownaway564 5y ago
it's completely religious - prophets, sacred texts, heresies. Going to quit after vacation this summer by just not showing up. See how long that lasts
- SantalBlush 5y ago
  Yes!! I highly encourage this decision. Everyone will be happier--it's the free market at work.
foolinaround 5y ago
no place seems immune from this nowadays... it only seems to differ in degrees.
etchalon 5y ago
The capitalization of Black is becoming increasingly accepted editorially due to its similarities to otherwise capitalized words like Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Marxist, Irish, etc. Essentially, a culturally distinct body of people. "white" isn't capitalized because it doesn't bear as much similarities to those words, as "white" is not a cultural identity.
- SvenMarquardt 5y ago
  > "white" isn't capitalized because it doesn't bear as much similarities to those words It is precisely the same as black. The mental gymnastics on display here are astonishing.
  - etchalon 5y ago
    It's a replacement for the term "African American", which is the best way to think of it and why it's capitalized. A good number of major publications have posted explanations for the editorial change: https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-cultures-race-and-ethnicity-us-news-ap-top-news-7e36c00c5af0436abc09e051261fff1f https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-cultures-race-and-e... https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black...
    - JPKab 5y ago
      Respectfully, I view these explanations as a retcon. Race is a social construct and the reason these newspapers chose not to capitalize white was because it's historically been capitalized by white nationalists. It's also historically been capitalized by black nationalists. That's what ethno-fascists do. They reduce reality down to singular dimensions and obsess about them as they tell everyone to blame their problems on that reason. Like they did in Germany they point to a group in that case the German Jews that is extremely culturally similar to another group that has less money per capita and then tell them that the explanation for these folks having more is they've taken it from you. They spend decades creating an entire ideology and mythology around this notion. Sound familiar? I first noticed the capitalization of black when I was in college in the early 2000s and was enrolled in several black studies courses for my electives. A few extreme radicals there insisted on capitalizing black because they spent so much time around black nationalists. I'm glad these journalistic institutions found a compelling explanation for doing what they were being told to do by activist groups. It's absurd and ridiculous and it looks like religion. What's next are they going to demand we all capitalize God too, like the oppressive evangelical churches of my childhood made me do? Those same churches also told me that I couldn't use the word lucky and I had to use the word blessed instead because that's what identitarians do: They coerce your speech so they can coerce your thoughts. I know this was a long rant but it's pretty awful to see this stuff get defended with anything looking like logic when it's absolutely not.
SvenMarquardt 5y ago
They're just following the Associated Press style guidelines: https://apnews.com/article/archive-race-and-ethnicity-9105661462 https://apnews.com/article/archive-race-and-ethnicity-910566...
- JPKab 5y ago
  They're just following orders.
charlesu 5y ago
It’s common to capitalize ethnicities and Black is an ethnicity in the United States. White is considered a race. Is your issue that Black is capitalized or that white is not capitalized?
commandlinefan 5y ago
> Do what I did in February: > Quit. But go where? Where can you go to escape this insanity? It seems to have taken hold everywhere (except, I guess Basecamp?)
- javagram 5y ago
  Work for a company in red area of a “red state” and perhaps the boss will preach at you about QAnon and the election fraud instead. /s But seriously if you want a company that bans politics, you can join coinbase, or you can join plenty of companies where they do hold optional DEI meetings and so on but don’t push it on the employees other than having them take a basic written anti-sexual and racial harassment test yearly or whatever. Ultimately if a company actually is significantly hurting the ability of their employees to get work done effectively they’re going to be out-competed in the marketplace.
dang 5y ago
Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments? Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052375 in this thread. We've had to ask you this multiple times in the past, also. That's not cool. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27044726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27044726.
- JPKab 5y ago
  Sorry. I'll end my comments in this thread.
- JPKab 5y ago
  Is there a way for me to go back and delete my offending comments? I'd like to do so, because I don't want to be a part of diminishing the community, and would like to make amends.
  - dang 5y ago
    I wouldn't worry about it - examples are good for learning and the only thing that really matters is to course-correct going forward. Thanks for the kind reply.

by JPKab 5y ago

thrownaway564 5y ago

it's completely religious - prophets, sacred texts, heresies. Going to quit after vacation this summer by just not showing up. See how long that lasts

SantalBlush 5y ago
Yes!! I highly encourage this decision. Everyone will be happier--it's the free market at work.

foolinaround 5y ago

no place seems immune from this nowadays... it only seems to differ in degrees.

etchalon 5y ago

The capitalization of Black is becoming increasingly accepted editorially due to its similarities to otherwise capitalized words like Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Marxist, Irish, etc. Essentially, a culturally distinct body of people. "white" isn't capitalized because it doesn't bear as much similarities to those words, as "white" is not a cultural identity.

SvenMarquardt 5y ago
> "white" isn't capitalized because it doesn't bear as much similarities to those words It is precisely the same as black. The mental gymnastics on display here are astonishing.
- etchalon 5y ago
  It's a replacement for the term "African American", which is the best way to think of it and why it's capitalized. A good number of major publications have posted explanations for the editorial change: https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-cultures-race-and-ethnicity-us-news-ap-top-news-7e36c00c5af0436abc09e051261fff1f https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-cultures-race-and-e... https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black...
  - JPKab 5y ago
    Respectfully, I view these explanations as a retcon. Race is a social construct and the reason these newspapers chose not to capitalize white was because it's historically been capitalized by white nationalists. It's also historically been capitalized by black nationalists. That's what ethno-fascists do. They reduce reality down to singular dimensions and obsess about them as they tell everyone to blame their problems on that reason. Like they did in Germany they point to a group in that case the German Jews that is extremely culturally similar to another group that has less money per capita and then tell them that the explanation for these folks having more is they've taken it from you. They spend decades creating an entire ideology and mythology around this notion. Sound familiar? I first noticed the capitalization of black when I was in college in the early 2000s and was enrolled in several black studies courses for my electives. A few extreme radicals there insisted on capitalizing black because they spent so much time around black nationalists. I'm glad these journalistic institutions found a compelling explanation for doing what they were being told to do by activist groups. It's absurd and ridiculous and it looks like religion. What's next are they going to demand we all capitalize God too, like the oppressive evangelical churches of my childhood made me do? Those same churches also told me that I couldn't use the word lucky and I had to use the word blessed instead because that's what identitarians do: They coerce your speech so they can coerce your thoughts. I know this was a long rant but it's pretty awful to see this stuff get defended with anything looking like logic when it's absolutely not.

SvenMarquardt 5y ago

They're just following the Associated Press style guidelines: https://apnews.com/article/archive-race-and-ethnicity-9105661462 https://apnews.com/article/archive-race-and-ethnicity-910566...

JPKab 5y ago
They're just following orders.

charlesu 5y ago

It’s common to capitalize ethnicities and Black is an ethnicity in the United States. White is considered a race. Is your issue that Black is capitalized or that white is not capitalized?

commandlinefan 5y ago

> Do what I did in February: > Quit. But go where? Where can you go to escape this insanity? It seems to have taken hold everywhere (except, I guess Basecamp?)

javagram 5y ago
Work for a company in red area of a “red state” and perhaps the boss will preach at you about QAnon and the election fraud instead. /s But seriously if you want a company that bans politics, you can join coinbase, or you can join plenty of companies where they do hold optional DEI meetings and so on but don’t push it on the employees other than having them take a basic written anti-sexual and racial harassment test yearly or whatever. Ultimately if a company actually is significantly hurting the ability of their employees to get work done effectively they’re going to be out-competed in the marketplace.

dang 5y ago

Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments? Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052375 in this thread. We've had to ask you this multiple times in the past, also. That's not cool. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27044726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27044726.

JPKab 5y ago
Sorry. I'll end my comments in this thread.
JPKab 5y ago
Is there a way for me to go back and delete my offending comments? I'd like to do so, because I don't want to be a part of diminishing the community, and would like to make amends.
- dang 5y ago
  I wouldn't worry about it - examples are good for learning and the only thing that really matters is to course-correct going forward. Thanks for the kind reply.