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> Honestly, in this story everyone looks like a big child. I agree for the most part there. Less so the founders, I think there sin runs more along the lines
by kbenson 6y ago
> Honestly, in this story everyone looks like a big child.
I agree for the most part there. Less so the founders, I think there sin runs more along the lines of being extremely naive (but in a way a lot of people might be, especially when the alternative might be to accept you're screwed).
> something must have gone fundamentally wrong much earlier. These levels of tension and distrust don't just arise out of nowhere.
Well, the tensions exist because they're being pushed for by large influences societally for political gain. The problem is they promoted a workplace environment where it was considered okay to bring it in, as well as to poke fun at clients (which is what kicked it all off).
I see this as an example of the cost of free doughnuts.[1] It's well known that we value the loss of something as more than the gain of something, and we value free things for far more than they're worth. Employees were given free reign for a long time in ways that weren't all that conducive to a diverse work environment or to respecting clients. Now they are being told not to do things that most work places already expect you to know enough not to do, either by explicitly telling you or by culture, such as don't blast your political views out to everyone, and don't be disrespectful to the clients, as that's where your paycheck comes from. My guess is the majority of people that leave if honestly reflecting on this in a few years would acknowledge that maybe announcing and focusing on your differences with those you need to spend time with is not as good a strategy for a happy and productive workplace as focusing on your similarities.
1: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/13/156737801/the-cost-of-free-doughnuts-70-years-of-regret https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/13/156737801/the-...
- Tainnor 6y ago> I think there sin runs more along the lines of being extremely naive [...] which would be maybe more excusable if it didn't come from the guys who wrote several books about how awesomely they run their company. I guess that's why my sympathy for their situation is somewhat limited.
- kbenson 6y agoThat's a good reason not to be sympathetic to them in particular. I guess you could say I'm sympathetic to some degree to the problem they were presented, but it was definitely of their own creation, so they shouldn't get a pass. I mean, it's easy to think you're doing well because you got lucky in personnel and timing for how things went, but maybe have a bit more introspection before writing a book about it and how good your ideas were (there's a lot of non-fiction that could be said about...).
- prawn 6y agoIs that more naivety though? Writing, thinking that they have the answer (or some of them) and then hitting something new that was yet to be seen in their working lives? If I have sympathy for them, I think it would be because I could see myself making the exact same mistakes: writing confidently as my business road a wave of great timing, thinking that emboldened and involved employees were great for company culture, and then deciding that maybe it was a risky distraction.
- mcphage 6y ago> Less so the founders, I think there sin runs more along the lines of being extremely naive Fried and DHH are a lot of things, but naive isn’t one of them.
- jdlshore 6y agoThere are a lot of dimensions to naivety. DHH has certainly struck me as naive in his arrogant confidence in the past (regarding TDD), and it sounds like he was naive in his approach to a major cultural change at his company. Naive not because he handled it badly, but because he seemed unaware that it needed to be handled delicately.
- sagichmal 6y ago> I agree for the most part there. Less so the founders, How anyone can look at this debacle and think of the employees as anything but victims, and the founders as anything but reactionary blowhards, is absolutely incoherent to me. The founders are obviously the ones in the wrong here, and obviously come out with shattered reputations.