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Shorter work weeks, universal healthcare, affordable housing, open borders, freedom to travel, less consumerism, more time for friends/family...

robocat 5y ago
I thought countries that have most of those things seem to have as many problems with depression and anxiety? And countries without those things perhaps don't? Which are the correlations that actually matter?
- supernovae 5y ago
  nah... go look up quality of life ratings and you can see these countries do great.
tomp 5y ago
I'm pretty sure that universal healthcare isn't compatible with open borders. Budgets aren't infinite.
- supernovae 5y ago
  Why do people assume open borders means freeloaders vs freedom?
  - tomp 5y ago
    As long as your country is offering something that 90% of Earth’s population lacks (access to high-quality free healthcare which is what people usually mean as “universal”) then, yes, you’re going to attract a lot of freeloaders.
    - supernovae 5y ago
      No, no you won't. You will attract people who are committed to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
      - jquery 5y ago
        I wish I could believe this. Seems more like wishful thinking along the lines of America’s hubris that it could “bring democracy” to the Middle East. There’s nothing magic about soil. You need to give time for waves of immigrants to integrate, or it leads to backlash and horrible people like Trump getting elected.
proxyon 5y ago
> open borders No thanks. Feel free to go conduct extreme social experiments with your own life, not mine.
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  I wouldn’t call it extreme, as it has been done before. In the US, for example, borders were completely open for the first hundred years until anti-Chinese racism led to the passage of the Page Act in 1875.
prestigious 5y ago
Open borders = unaffordable housing, no universal borders, less time for friends and family
lr4444lr 5y ago
What does open borders have to do with the other things?
jquery 5y ago
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong

robocat 5y ago

I thought countries that have most of those things seem to have as many problems with depression and anxiety? And countries without those things perhaps don't? Which are the correlations that actually matter?

supernovae 5y ago
nah... go look up quality of life ratings and you can see these countries do great.

tomp 5y ago

I'm pretty sure that universal healthcare isn't compatible with open borders. Budgets aren't infinite.

supernovae 5y ago
Why do people assume open borders means freeloaders vs freedom?
- tomp 5y ago
  As long as your country is offering something that 90% of Earth’s population lacks (access to high-quality free healthcare which is what people usually mean as “universal”) then, yes, you’re going to attract a lot of freeloaders.
  - supernovae 5y ago
    No, no you won't. You will attract people who are committed to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    - jquery 5y ago
      I wish I could believe this. Seems more like wishful thinking along the lines of America’s hubris that it could “bring democracy” to the Middle East. There’s nothing magic about soil. You need to give time for waves of immigrants to integrate, or it leads to backlash and horrible people like Trump getting elected.

proxyon 5y ago

> open borders No thanks. Feel free to go conduct extreme social experiments with your own life, not mine.

amanaplanacanal 5y ago
I wouldn’t call it extreme, as it has been done before. In the US, for example, borders were completely open for the first hundred years until anti-Chinese racism led to the passage of the Page Act in 1875.

prestigious 5y ago

Open borders = unaffordable housing, no universal borders, less time for friends and family

lr4444lr 5y ago

What does open borders have to do with the other things?

jquery 5y ago

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong