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I'd say it's a basic urge or desire in most people, but not even necessarily a need. A goal, an aspiration, something to seek. Similar to wealth, status, respec

I'd say it's a basic urge or desire in most people, but not even necessarily a need. A goal, an aspiration, something to seek. Similar to wealth, status, respect etc. Also, there are asexual people. It seems strange to define something as a "basic" human need if many people can live a healthy life without it. And yes, a certain level of socialization is definitely necessary to become a functional human.

johnnyanmac 6y ago
Psychological doesn't mean "you can't become a functional human without it". it means "without it, the mental state of a significant amount of humans will be altered". Under that definition, there is certainly an argument to be made about sex in some forms being a "psychological need". which build off the 3 universal psychological needs of autonomy, competence, and relatedness: https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/microsites/promoting-healthy-weight-in-pre-school-children/modules/communicating-with-parents/universal-psychological-needs#:~:text=According%20to%20SDT%20there%20are,hunger%2C%20thirst%2C%20sleep https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/microsites/promoting-healthy-weight-i...). There are many much more well studied people who have spent much longer debating this, so I'm not interested in debating this here. I just want to note that valid arguments exist, and that I feel you are still conflating "basic" with "psychological". ---- >Also, there are asexual people. If you'd like another more controversial example: consider parental supervision. You can live a healthly life without ever leaving your parents' home nor ruleset. And in some other societies it is entirely expected to live in your parents' home even after marriage alongside one's parents (still following their personal values). However, some may argue that this hampers the psychological needs of autonomy and competence. That one will never have true control and choice and that you can never truly go out and challenge oneself while under a parent's wing. Much like the basic "needs" of sex, this can be under contention and is ultimately up to society. A few anecdotes of those who made it or not doesn't rule it out as arguably being a psychological need not being met. Much like a few asexual people not necessarily ruling out sex as aruably being a psychological need at some leve.
- bonoboTP 6y ago
  Let's not get too far away from my original point. When people say "sex is a basic physical need", they want to imply or paint the association that it's like water and air. It's not like that.
  - johnnyanmac 6y ago
    "People" say a lot of things that may or may not be outdated, outright stupid, or otherwise missing nuance. If that's your original point, I'm not interested in it, to be frank. I'm mostly responding to the original idea of "Putting it on that pyramid has somehow fallen out of favor". your initial response of "It's not a basic physical need. It's a psychological need. " made it sound like it didn't deserve to be on bottom part of the pyramid, or that you perhaps didn't know that those two categories are often the same part of the pyramid. So I responded in turn to inform.
johnnyanmac 6y ago
As one more aside, note that "sex" in this category isn't necessarily the same as "sex with another person". As another controversial take (that I'd need to do a lot of research to verify), this may very well refer to masturbation and other autnonomous ways to sexually relieve oneself. This doesn't allow for sexual intimacy (the second category), but this may or may not satify the bottom rung needs. While one can certainly go without sex indefinitely, I'm much less sure if most people can go without ejaculating indefinitely. Much more research needed there.

johnnyanmac 6y ago

Psychological doesn't mean "you can't become a functional human without it". it means "without it, the mental state of a significant amount of humans will be altered". Under that definition, there is certainly an argument to be made about sex in some forms being a "psychological need". which build off the 3 universal psychological needs of autonomy, competence, and relatedness: https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/microsites/promoting-healthy-weight-in-pre-school-children/modules/communicating-with-parents/universal-psychological-needs#:~:text=According%20to%20SDT%20there%20are,hunger%2C%20thirst%2C%20sleep https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/microsites/promoting-healthy-weight-i...). There are many much more well studied people who have spent much longer debating this, so I'm not interested in debating this here. I just want to note that valid arguments exist, and that I feel you are still conflating "basic" with "psychological". ---- >Also, there are asexual people. If you'd like another more controversial example: consider parental supervision. You can live a healthly life without ever leaving your parents' home nor ruleset. And in some other societies it is entirely expected to live in your parents' home even after marriage alongside one's parents (still following their personal values). However, some may argue that this hampers the psychological needs of autonomy and competence. That one will never have true control and choice and that you can never truly go out and challenge oneself while under a parent's wing. Much like the basic "needs" of sex, this can be under contention and is ultimately up to society. A few anecdotes of those who made it or not doesn't rule it out as arguably being a psychological need not being met. Much like a few asexual people not necessarily ruling out sex as aruably being a psychological need at some leve.

bonoboTP 6y ago
Let's not get too far away from my original point. When people say "sex is a basic physical need", they want to imply or paint the association that it's like water and air. It's not like that.
- johnnyanmac 6y ago
  "People" say a lot of things that may or may not be outdated, outright stupid, or otherwise missing nuance. If that's your original point, I'm not interested in it, to be frank. I'm mostly responding to the original idea of "Putting it on that pyramid has somehow fallen out of favor". your initial response of "It's not a basic physical need. It's a psychological need. " made it sound like it didn't deserve to be on bottom part of the pyramid, or that you perhaps didn't know that those two categories are often the same part of the pyramid. So I responded in turn to inform.

johnnyanmac 6y ago

As one more aside, note that "sex" in this category isn't necessarily the same as "sex with another person". As another controversial take (that I'd need to do a lot of research to verify), this may very well refer to masturbation and other autnonomous ways to sexually relieve oneself. This doesn't allow for sexual intimacy (the second category), but this may or may not satify the bottom rung needs. While one can certainly go without sex indefinitely, I'm much less sure if most people can go without ejaculating indefinitely. Much more research needed there.