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Honestly, non-tactile buttons on a car seems ridiculous. You HAVE to look away from the road to do anything. Tactile buttons let you feel around to do things if

Honestly, non-tactile buttons on a car seems ridiculous. You HAVE to look away from the road to do anything. Tactile buttons let you feel around to do things if you need to. That change has made zero sense to me.

virtue3 6y ago
Especially with the shit microcontrollers they put into the toyota mid range cars and their lack of responsiveness. Really forces you to look at the screen when you fidget with it.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Those shit micros in the infotainment system are still running at least in the hundreds of MHz. PCs from 25 years ago with equivalent performance were responsive. It's poor software development practices that makes good enough hardware crawl at a snail's pace.
Silhouette 6y ago
It's also scary just how many controls there are now, tactile or otherwise, that have little to do with safely driving the car and navigating efficiently to your destination. Until we have truly autonomous vehicles, all those distractions are accidents waiting to happen (or sometimes, sadly, not waiting). Touch controls for anything a driver needs to manipulate while driving are obviously ridiculous, so there's not much else to say there. But given how dangerous using a phone while driving is under most circumstances, what on earth are phone-related controls doing taking up prime real estate on a steering wheel in so many modern vehicles, even if they're tactile? Either way, it's like the car makers said "OK, we get that using these features while driving is about as dangerous as driving while you're drunk, but the kind of person who will buy our premium vehicles is going to be grossly irresponsible anyway, so they might as well have an easy time doing it." And then after distracting the driver's attention and giving them lots to look at other than what they actually need for driving, they act all surprised that the driver who was "required to be fully aware and able to take over control of the vehicle immediately at any time" was messing around with the infotainment system with lane keeping, cruise control and automatic distance keeping turned on instead of watching the road, and point to the legal small print when the inevitable tragedy happens because of course the driver was not actually able to take over immediately when something unexpected happened. This whole issue makes my blood boil. It's like the worst example of prioritising flash and gimmicks at the expense of making something that actually works properly, and in a context where safety is a huge factor and people are literally dying unnecessarily every day. These kinds of idiocy should have been regulated out of existence the day after they were announced.
bashinator 6y ago
Isn’t Mazda discontinuing use of touch screens?
- genocidicbunny 6y ago
  That is their plan as far as I know. And even before that, their interfaces have generally been pretty good about tactility. My '17 does have a touchscreen, but it is entirely optional and everything can be controlled using physical controls.
- ghostpepper 6y ago
  I bought a Mazda CX-5 last year and in the dealership, one of the televisions was playing an endless loop of Mazda commercials, and one of the commercials was specifically about how all the important controls are on physical buttons / knobs / switches. Mazda is clearly aware that they work better, but I'm sure customers who don't drive often or don't pay attention to the experience of driving simply assume that a larger touchscreen is better and somehow more modern. I sometimes even turn the screen off completely, on long drives or at night; I only wish there was a dedicated button to do so. The car is great too - it has dedicated buttons for pretty much everything else, including a dedicated, physical volume knob in the center armrest and track change buttons on the steering wheel, climate control, various driver assistance features, etc. It was all clearly designed with the driver in mind, and the touchscreen was an afterthought.
- jmnicolas 6y ago
  I drive a 2018 Mazda 3. The touch functionality is disabled while the car is moving, everything is done with a wheel and a few buttons. It works well but it's a pretty basic system (nav and audio that's it). I don't know if it could accommodate advanced features.
rsj_hn 6y ago
Just seems strange that it's 2021 already and touchscreens are still considered acceptable in cars. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john-s-mccain-crash-ntsb-report-touchscreen-mechanical-controls https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john...
Aerroon 6y ago
Using a cellphone while driving is illegal? Let's just make the whole car a cellphone! Brilliant! It makes new wonder how these non-tactile buttons and entertainment systems are even legal to use while driving. And if you had to stop your car to adjust the radio then these touch screens would immediately disappear.
- ghostpepper 6y ago
  I swear I don't work for Mazda but their new cars actually have a feature that disables touch on the screen above 5km/h. You can still use the tactile buttons though. It's actually not ideal because now the passenger can't use it either, but at least they've made an attempt to stop drivers interacting with the screen at high speeds.

virtue3 6y ago

Especially with the shit microcontrollers they put into the toyota mid range cars and their lack of responsiveness. Really forces you to look at the screen when you fidget with it.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
Those shit micros in the infotainment system are still running at least in the hundreds of MHz. PCs from 25 years ago with equivalent performance were responsive. It's poor software development practices that makes good enough hardware crawl at a snail's pace.

Silhouette 6y ago

It's also scary just how many controls there are now, tactile or otherwise, that have little to do with safely driving the car and navigating efficiently to your destination. Until we have truly autonomous vehicles, all those distractions are accidents waiting to happen (or sometimes, sadly, not waiting). Touch controls for anything a driver needs to manipulate while driving are obviously ridiculous, so there's not much else to say there. But given how dangerous using a phone while driving is under most circumstances, what on earth are phone-related controls doing taking up prime real estate on a steering wheel in so many modern vehicles, even if they're tactile? Either way, it's like the car makers said "OK, we get that using these features while driving is about as dangerous as driving while you're drunk, but the kind of person who will buy our premium vehicles is going to be grossly irresponsible anyway, so they might as well have an easy time doing it." And then after distracting the driver's attention and giving them lots to look at other than what they actually need for driving, they act all surprised that the driver who was "required to be fully aware and able to take over control of the vehicle immediately at any time" was messing around with the infotainment system with lane keeping, cruise control and automatic distance keeping turned on instead of watching the road, and point to the legal small print when the inevitable tragedy happens because of course the driver was not actually able to take over immediately when something unexpected happened. This whole issue makes my blood boil. It's like the worst example of prioritising flash and gimmicks at the expense of making something that actually works properly, and in a context where safety is a huge factor and people are literally dying unnecessarily every day. These kinds of idiocy should have been regulated out of existence the day after they were announced.

bashinator 6y ago

Isn’t Mazda discontinuing use of touch screens?

genocidicbunny 6y ago
That is their plan as far as I know. And even before that, their interfaces have generally been pretty good about tactility. My '17 does have a touchscreen, but it is entirely optional and everything can be controlled using physical controls.
ghostpepper 6y ago
I bought a Mazda CX-5 last year and in the dealership, one of the televisions was playing an endless loop of Mazda commercials, and one of the commercials was specifically about how all the important controls are on physical buttons / knobs / switches. Mazda is clearly aware that they work better, but I'm sure customers who don't drive often or don't pay attention to the experience of driving simply assume that a larger touchscreen is better and somehow more modern. I sometimes even turn the screen off completely, on long drives or at night; I only wish there was a dedicated button to do so. The car is great too - it has dedicated buttons for pretty much everything else, including a dedicated, physical volume knob in the center armrest and track change buttons on the steering wheel, climate control, various driver assistance features, etc. It was all clearly designed with the driver in mind, and the touchscreen was an afterthought.
jmnicolas 6y ago
I drive a 2018 Mazda 3. The touch functionality is disabled while the car is moving, everything is done with a wheel and a few buttons. It works well but it's a pretty basic system (nav and audio that's it). I don't know if it could accommodate advanced features.

rsj_hn 6y ago

Just seems strange that it's 2021 already and touchscreens are still considered acceptable in cars. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john-s-mccain-crash-ntsb-report-touchscreen-mechanical-controls https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john...

Aerroon 6y ago

Using a cellphone while driving is illegal? Let's just make the whole car a cellphone! Brilliant! It makes new wonder how these non-tactile buttons and entertainment systems are even legal to use while driving. And if you had to stop your car to adjust the radio then these touch screens would immediately disappear.

ghostpepper 6y ago
I swear I don't work for Mazda but their new cars actually have a feature that disables touch on the screen above 5km/h. You can still use the tactile buttons though. It's actually not ideal because now the passenger can't use it either, but at least they've made an attempt to stop drivers interacting with the screen at high speeds.