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>Her response was that they had so much "male privilege" and that they have no excuse for underperforming. That, thus, they should still be _ahead_ of women, pr
by everdrive 6y ago
>Her response was that they had so much "male privilege" and that they have no excuse for underperforming. That, thus, they should still be _ahead_ of women, presumably, despite the goal being that they... shouldn't be.
This will be downvoted and poorly received, but the fact is that women despise weak men. If a man is in a poor state, most women will be visibly disgusted by him. A man generally should not expect sympathy from women, because most of the time he'll get scorn instead.
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoEveryone wants everyone else to adopt an idealistic world view while they use shrewd pragmatism to navigate life.
- Workaccount2 6y agoI couldn't agree with this more, and very much to my personal detriment I spent way to much time trying to live those ideals. In the end it's just left me fruitless and feeling like a sucker.
- betwixthewires 6y agoIt's a shame this account is a throwaway.
- Viliam1234 6y agoit's a shrewd pragmatic way to navigate online debates
- colmvp 6y agoSome of my best friends are women and have been there for me in ways that my other guy friends certainly haven't during bouts of loneliness during times of lockdowns. But perhaps it is different when it comes to partners.
- serverholic 6y agoAssuming you're a straight male, I dare you to cry in front of your girlfriend/wife.
- gehatare 6y agoI've done that with multiple girlfriends and it never was a problem? How do you expect them to react?
- serverholic 6y agoTo quote a post on reddit: > I've cried in front of maybe three SOs. In each case, they were very understanding and empathic about it and their sexual attraction toward me started a gradual but inexorable slide to zero. > I've learned my lesson.
- kelnos 6y agoAh yes, reddit, that great bastion of facts and well-sourced research. If you're a man and you're with a woman who stops being attracted to you because you've cried in front of her, that's a great thing, because you've dodged a bullet, and found a strong signal that you should find a better girlfriend.
- serverholic 6y agoI wouldn’t be talking about this if I hadn’t experienced it and seen it myself. If you want to roll the dice then fine. But some of us are sick of being hurt and seeing others getting hurt.
- InvertedRhodium 6y agoI think this speaks more about the type of woman you're attracted to more so than women in general. Literally the only person I speak to about emotions, and make myself generally vulnerable around, is my partner. In fact, I think this is common enough that it contributes in part to the high suicide rates for divorced men as opposed to divorced women [0] - women have friends that they can lean on emotionally during this time while men don't typically cultivate that kind of relationship. [0] - https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/12/993 https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/12/993
- colinmhayes 6y agoThis is an opinion, not a fact.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y agoIt's a generalization about social trends. These traits often show on a bell curve, with some outliers on each side, but those outliers don't mean that the trend isn't real.
- colinmhayes 6y agosource?
- TheAdamAndChe 6y agoHere[1] is one, Ctrl+F "our traits and abilities tend to be distributed normally, in a bell shaped curve." [1] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201108/male-and-female-the-overlapping-curves https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2011...
- kelnos 6y agoThat says nothing about where on the bell curve this particular trait ("despising weak men") falls. It may only be that outliers despise weak men.
- Balgair 6y ago> but the fact is that women despise weak men. I'd say this is true for all genders and people. Homosexual people also display this tendency just as well as heterosexual males. Heck, even in friendships, it can be hard to enjoy being with a buddy that is going through a deep funk despite all your efforts to rouse them out of it. People want to be with people like themselves. Misery loves company, and vice-versa
- serverholic 6y agoA weak woman will still be able to find a man to take care of her. A weak man not so much.
- yazaddaruvala 6y ago> A weak woman will still be able to find a man to take care of her. It might not be a "strength" you recognize, but attracting a mate/caregiver implies some clear "strength".
- astura 6y agoYou'd be surprised, just today we had to have a conversation with a family member about how consistently taking in loser degenerate men is ruining her life.
- 2lwxxtj 6y agoThe men that are ruining her life are not the sort of "weak men" being discussed here. The ones ruining her life, I can just about guarantee, exude the impression that they don't play by other people's rules. To women, that is strength.
- quickthrower2 5y agoSounds like we are going to end up with a tautological definition. Women reject men who are weak as defined by men who women reject.
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- rrradical 6y agoI don't mean to be glib, but, are you saying women who are in a poor state are desirable? I don't think so... Is it bad that women don't find some men attractive, when those same men probably wouldn't find some women attractive? I apologize if that misconstrues your opinion, but I've heard it elsewhere before: that somehow women 'should' be more forgiving of unattractiveness than men are, and that's really weird to me. Women don't owe it to any men to find them desirable, and vice-versa.
- skystarman 6y agoI have no data on this but my anecdata tells me that if a woman is in a poor state but is attractive plenty of men will be willing to treat her nicely and not consider her "pathetic" at least long enough to sleep with her. Doesn't really work the same way for dudes
- kaba0 6y agoAnd how is it a good rebuttal? It means that some men would exploit a women in poor mental health for a one-nighter.. They will most definitely not put up with her illness and dump her after a short play. The only difference is that a “weak men” may not be as desirable to have a one-nighter with.
- medicineman 6y agoWith how much advice there is in dealing with BPD women, yeah, I would say they are desirable despite being in an extreme poor state.
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- geekster777 6y agoI'd rephrase this as "people despise weak men". I don't think women are unique in this conditioned view, and putting this in terms of Us vs Them doesn't quite get to the root of the problem. The image of a damsel in distress is a common one that invites sympathy. Being seen as someone temporarily down on their luck who, with a quick pep talk, a removal of glasses, and a loosening of hair, will become the perfect date in your teen movie. Men do not benefit from this sympathy but nor do they suffer from its accompanied baggage and condescension. I can't say that the solution is "just do for men what we do for women" since that sympathy has some real nasty undertones and connotations. Still, you really hit the crux of the problem with "people despise weak men". And I think we could grow a productive solution from there.
- kelnos 6y agoIt's poorly received because it's not true. This "fact" of yours is just an unsupported opinion. I think it would have been better received -- and possibly more true -- if you have said that many women seemingly aren't attracted to weak men.
- AtlasBarfed 6y agoDeconstruct the term "loser", the universal label for an undesirable man applied (stereotypically) by women.
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