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The article doesn't make it clear if (1) this is just a lone admin submitting a bad proposal that is ultimately dead on arrival or (2) this framework is serious

The article doesn't make it clear if (1) this is just a lone admin submitting a bad proposal that is ultimately dead on arrival or (2) this framework is seriously being consideration as policy. I won't hide my feelings that this is a bad idea--prodigies exist.

smsm42 5y ago
Given the general trends, it's not just the lone admin - Virginia is wrecking their gifted programs as we speak, for the same reasons. https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses-equity https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses... And that's not just a proposal from some rando, it's a DoE policy. It seems to be an ideological trends of destroying advanced education so that "equity" ideologies can feel good about it.
malcolmgreaves 5y ago
Prodigies absolutely exist. But this proposal is also so woefully uninformed as it rejects a basic fact: some folk are more intelligent than others. We don't know why -- it's both nature and nurture -- but we know it exists because humanity has observed it since forever. Equity in education isn't to see a kid that's doing well and think, "well fuck that kid, we'll just make him bored out of his mind and ultimately become disinterested as we force them to sit through another year of class on a subject they already mastered." Rather, it's simply to redirect resources (read: money to hire more teachers so there's a smaller student to teacher ratio) to the schools whose students are achieving the least. And teachers are the ones that get to make that determination.
- sprynr 5y ago
  California has really been pushing the idea that all their students are equal, while quietly opening more charter and magnet schools to support the students that are "more equal than others", it's just plain inefficient to split the levels of student achievement into completely separate campuses instead of just different classes.
- jostmey 5y ago
  Providing resources to students who need it is definitely important, and it is equally important not to stand in the way of the next Newton, Euler, or Einstein
  - commandlinefan 5y ago
    > the next Newton, Euler, or Einstein Of course I disagree with the proposal in the post, but I wonder... how much real encouragement did Newton, Euler and Einstein get (or need) when they were young? Could anybody have stood in their way? Ramanujan got as little encouragement as one could imagine but still ended up as one of the greatest mathematicians of his time - but on the other hand, maybe he would have been even greater if he had had more opportunities.
    - gfody 5y ago
      Ramanujan was motivated by his deeply held spiritual beliefs and then later adopted and mentored by G.H.Hardy. Perhaps you mean before all that? I imagine there are 100 Ramanujans we've never heard of.
    - throwawayay02 5y ago
      Gauss earned his PhD at 20, Euler at 19, Erdős at 21, Tao at 21. Now imagine instead being forced to waste away until you're 17-18 to go to college.
    - pksebben 5y ago
      the post isn't honest. read the actual proposal. https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/ https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/
sprynr 5y ago
Looks like the "State Board of Education appointed 20 members to the Mathematics Curriculum Framework and Evaluation Criteria Committee (Mathematics CFCC) to assist in the development of the Mathematics Framework." Looks like this is more than just a rouge admin, unfortunately.

smsm42 5y ago

Given the general trends, it's not just the lone admin - Virginia is wrecking their gifted programs as we speak, for the same reasons. https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses-equity https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-accelerated-math-courses... And that's not just a proposal from some rando, it's a DoE policy. It seems to be an ideological trends of destroying advanced education so that "equity" ideologies can feel good about it.

malcolmgreaves 5y ago

Prodigies absolutely exist. But this proposal is also so woefully uninformed as it rejects a basic fact: some folk are more intelligent than others. We don't know why -- it's both nature and nurture -- but we know it exists because humanity has observed it since forever. Equity in education isn't to see a kid that's doing well and think, "well fuck that kid, we'll just make him bored out of his mind and ultimately become disinterested as we force them to sit through another year of class on a subject they already mastered." Rather, it's simply to redirect resources (read: money to hire more teachers so there's a smaller student to teacher ratio) to the schools whose students are achieving the least. And teachers are the ones that get to make that determination.

sprynr 5y ago
California has really been pushing the idea that all their students are equal, while quietly opening more charter and magnet schools to support the students that are "more equal than others", it's just plain inefficient to split the levels of student achievement into completely separate campuses instead of just different classes.
jostmey 5y ago
Providing resources to students who need it is definitely important, and it is equally important not to stand in the way of the next Newton, Euler, or Einstein
- commandlinefan 5y ago
  > the next Newton, Euler, or Einstein Of course I disagree with the proposal in the post, but I wonder... how much real encouragement did Newton, Euler and Einstein get (or need) when they were young? Could anybody have stood in their way? Ramanujan got as little encouragement as one could imagine but still ended up as one of the greatest mathematicians of his time - but on the other hand, maybe he would have been even greater if he had had more opportunities.
  - gfody 5y ago
    Ramanujan was motivated by his deeply held spiritual beliefs and then later adopted and mentored by G.H.Hardy. Perhaps you mean before all that? I imagine there are 100 Ramanujans we've never heard of.
  - throwawayay02 5y ago
    Gauss earned his PhD at 20, Euler at 19, Erdős at 21, Tao at 21. Now imagine instead being forced to waste away until you're 17-18 to go to college.
  - pksebben 5y ago
    the post isn't honest. read the actual proposal. https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/ https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/

sprynr 5y ago

Looks like the "State Board of Education appointed 20 members to the Mathematics Curriculum Framework and Evaluation Criteria Committee (Mathematics CFCC) to assist in the development of the Mathematics Framework." Looks like this is more than just a rouge admin, unfortunately.