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The correlation of the appearance of this phenomenon with the rise of porn really shouldn't be ignored.

by a_band 5y ago

gustavo-fring 5y ago
Can't be ignored but that rise was caused by and coincides with a ton of other cultural, social, and technological changes.
- a_band 5y ago
  I agree. But porn directly targets sexual behavior and response. It's the sugar soda to obesity. But to singly focus on it would also be a mistake.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
    I agree about the porn thing, but I'd argue that is not so much one of the major issues surrounding it so much as teens not having sex at the rates they used to. More teens are entering college as virgins, men aren't being taught how to navigate social/sexual relationships by their fathers or friends, media content online holds greater value over real personal relationships, and frankly videogames nowadays have all but turned into time wasting gambling. I mean if you put a weak willed person in a room with any vice they'd want, they're gonna fail. And we're packed to the brim with vices. Now how do you expect any impressionable young man growing up to not become jaded because dating is bar none more difficult than it has ever been? Not only that, the fear of getting the girl pregnant and she keeps it or divorce. I feel like with all the stories about how men appear to get the short end of the stick oftentimes, it's led to a jaded understanding of the system.
cblconfederate 5y ago
Assuming porn causes incels, but the golden age of porn started at 1969, so that doesnt work. Assuming incels cause porn, has porn become more profitable in the past ~20 years? I 'd say probably true based on the innovation of the profitability models , expecially after onlyfans became a thing
- a_band 5y ago
  Key to remember that in the Golden Age of Porn, probably less than 5% of teens had seen a pornographic film. Today it's probably over 99%?
  - Retric 5y ago
    That’s likely overblown. I suspect 70+% of kids in the 90’s had seen porn and I doubt it’s much past 95% today. If anything we just don’t see what people do in their private lives that much. Incel isn’t some new thing, it’s simply more talked about today.
    - a_band 5y ago
      We're just relying on guesswork here but to think that the internet only created a 25% increase in porn exposure for teens seems really off, especially considering how hard porn was for minors to obtain pre-internet. Also, it's worth considering that the "porn" they would have had easiest access to was Playboy magazine content--not the catalog of Pornhub.
      - cblconfederate 5y ago
        It appears to affect non-heterosexuals differently , though
globular-toast 5y ago
People are very reluctant to talk about porn for some reason. Porn is the reason all men are able to (virtually) practise polygamy today. But most will adamantly deny that it has anything to do with a natural male desire for polygamy.
symlinkk 5y ago
Porn has been around since the 70’s, internet porn since the 2000s. The incel phenomenon arrived in the 2010s, around the same time dating apps took off.

The correlation of the appearance of this phenomenon with the rise of porn really shouldn't be ignored.

by a_band 5y ago

The correlation of the appearance of this phenomenon with the rise of porn really shouldn't be ignored.

Can't be ignored but that rise was caused by and coincides with a ton of other cultural, social, and technological changes.

a_band 5y ago
I agree. But porn directly targets sexual behavior and response. It's the sugar soda to obesity. But to singly focus on it would also be a mistake.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
  I agree about the porn thing, but I'd argue that is not so much one of the major issues surrounding it so much as teens not having sex at the rates they used to. More teens are entering college as virgins, men aren't being taught how to navigate social/sexual relationships by their fathers or friends, media content online holds greater value over real personal relationships, and frankly videogames nowadays have all but turned into time wasting gambling. I mean if you put a weak willed person in a room with any vice they'd want, they're gonna fail. And we're packed to the brim with vices. Now how do you expect any impressionable young man growing up to not become jaded because dating is bar none more difficult than it has ever been? Not only that, the fear of getting the girl pregnant and she keeps it or divorce. I feel like with all the stories about how men appear to get the short end of the stick oftentimes, it's led to a jaded understanding of the system.

cblconfederate 5y ago

Assuming porn causes incels, but the golden age of porn started at 1969, so that doesnt work. Assuming incels cause porn, has porn become more profitable in the past ~20 years? I 'd say probably true based on the innovation of the profitability models , expecially after onlyfans became a thing

a_band 5y ago
Key to remember that in the Golden Age of Porn, probably less than 5% of teens had seen a pornographic film. Today it's probably over 99%?
- Retric 5y ago
  That’s likely overblown. I suspect 70+% of kids in the 90’s had seen porn and I doubt it’s much past 95% today. If anything we just don’t see what people do in their private lives that much. Incel isn’t some new thing, it’s simply more talked about today.
  - a_band 5y ago
    We're just relying on guesswork here but to think that the internet only created a 25% increase in porn exposure for teens seems really off, especially considering how hard porn was for minors to obtain pre-internet. Also, it's worth considering that the "porn" they would have had easiest access to was Playboy magazine content--not the catalog of Pornhub.
    - cblconfederate 5y ago
      It appears to affect non-heterosexuals differently , though

globular-toast 5y ago

People are very reluctant to talk about porn for some reason. Porn is the reason all men are able to (virtually) practise polygamy today. But most will adamantly deny that it has anything to do with a natural male desire for polygamy.

symlinkk 5y ago

Porn has been around since the 70’s, internet porn since the 2000s. The incel phenomenon arrived in the 2010s, around the same time dating apps took off.