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isn't sex/partner/pro-creation at the very root of all forms of life? If you can't have sex then nature is saying you shouldn't have sex.

usbline 6y ago
No, this is a social problem and has nothing to do with nature.
- jnwatson 6y ago
  Humans are social animals. The size of our brains, ability to use language, are all "nature's" solutions to social problems. That women are deep down attracted to men of status is hard-wired, and the result of thousands of years of natural selection. The nexus among status-seeking behavior, current economic realities, and the changing marketplace of dating, is the primary driver behind "incels". In other words, nature is a significant factor in this problem.
  - usbline 6y ago
    >status-seeking behavior not nature >current economic realities not nature >the changing marketplace of dating again, not nature
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - jimmaswell 6y ago
      When a monkey vies for status in its group, it's nature, but when a human does the same thing, it's not?
      - usbline 6y ago
        Why do you insist on calling social behavior "nature"? Terrible troll.
fghthidudhmbdi 6y ago
Even more Darwinianly: if you can't have sex, nature dictates your dna, and the life it produced, is actually worthless.
- mmmmmbop 6y ago
  Calling the DNA and the life it produced worthless seems a bit simplistic. Consider e.g. worker bees, which are infertile and rarely reproduce, but are certainly not worthless -- they are crucial to the success of the hive. This is an example of kin selection. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection
- valec 6y ago
  worthless is a human value judgement. biologically things don't have a purpose. those with more successful traits on average passed these traits down. evolution is just things happening. there's no goal, no purpose, no meaning.
- ObserverNeutral 6y ago
  I guess you are saying to yourself "I am worthless" every time you put a condom on... :|
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  I love this analysis and I think the faster you come to terms with it, the easier life becomes as a single man.

usbline 6y ago

No, this is a social problem and has nothing to do with nature.

jnwatson 6y ago
Humans are social animals. The size of our brains, ability to use language, are all "nature's" solutions to social problems. That women are deep down attracted to men of status is hard-wired, and the result of thousands of years of natural selection. The nexus among status-seeking behavior, current economic realities, and the changing marketplace of dating, is the primary driver behind "incels". In other words, nature is a significant factor in this problem.
- usbline 6y ago
  >status-seeking behavior not nature >current economic realities not nature >the changing marketplace of dating again, not nature
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  - jimmaswell 6y ago
    When a monkey vies for status in its group, it's nature, but when a human does the same thing, it's not?
    - usbline 6y ago
      Why do you insist on calling social behavior "nature"? Terrible troll.

fghthidudhmbdi 6y ago

Even more Darwinianly: if you can't have sex, nature dictates your dna, and the life it produced, is actually worthless.

mmmmmbop 6y ago
Calling the DNA and the life it produced worthless seems a bit simplistic. Consider e.g. worker bees, which are infertile and rarely reproduce, but are certainly not worthless -- they are crucial to the success of the hive. This is an example of kin selection. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection
valec 6y ago
worthless is a human value judgement. biologically things don't have a purpose. those with more successful traits on average passed these traits down. evolution is just things happening. there's no goal, no purpose, no meaning.
ObserverNeutral 6y ago
I guess you are saying to yourself "I am worthless" every time you put a condom on... :|
MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
I love this analysis and I think the faster you come to terms with it, the easier life becomes as a single man.