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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no W

by gowld 6y ago

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." CBP's warrantless searches are plainly unconstitutional.

mondoshawan 6y ago
The constitution is dead, and we the people, are left holding the bag.
WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
Hence why land within 100mi of the border is known as the US Constitution Free Zone. ref: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+constitution+free+zone https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+constitution+free+zone
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Which also contains areas within 100 miles of the coasts, international airports, and other "ports of entry".
toss1 6y ago
Probably true, but good luck with that. As my grandfather said: "You might be right, but you don't want to be dead right." CBP already have extra authorities due to border control because crossing the border is not a constitutional right. The most egregious expansion was the declaration that all territory within 100 miles of the border is 'authorized' for all CBP's nonsense. That happens to cover about 90% of the US population. There is a lot of anguish about the intelligence agencies doing their jobs against very serious threats, including Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. Meanwhile the real damage to civil liberties is from the CBP and INS, who literally storm homes every day, and engage in this kind of 4th amendment trashing.
- mssundaram 6y ago
  I'm having trouble understanding how 100 miles from the border covers 90% of the US population? Edit: I see - I was thinking only in terms of e.g. the Arizona southern border, however looking up the Constitution Free Zone shows that it means the entire US - California, all states connected to Cananda etc. Eidt 2: Would this mean ALL of Hawaii is in this Constitution Free Zone?
  - triceratops 6y ago
    Don't international airports count as "the border" too?
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      Yes, they're considered "ports of entry".
  - toss1 6y ago
    Hawaii? yup, I'd expect that is a solid YES. I'm curious how much and how long it takes for this to drive migrants inland away from the border... and then how long it will take for them to make an excuse to make it 200mi...
  - quickthrowman 6y ago
    It is all of the US land, sea, and lake (Great Lakes) borders.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    > Eidt 2: Would this mean ALL of Hawaii is in this Constitution Free Zone? And the entirety of a handful of states in the Northeast US, as well.
- rsync 6y ago
  " ... because crossing the border is not a constitutional right." Yes, it is. "In Nguyen v. INS (2001), on a separate matter of citizenship, the Supreme Court put down, in writing, that citizens of the US have the absolute right to enter its borders. It was in recent times more or less presumed to be the case, though historically there have been a wide range of decisions that did deny entry by citizens, mainly by denying the underlying citizenship. This right extends to lawful permanent residents, so long as they maintain their status."[1] [1] https://www.quora.com/Can-a-U-S-citizen-be-denied-entry-into-the-United-States https://www.quora.com/Can-a-U-S-citizen-be-denied-entry-into...
cronix 6y ago
NSA has been illegally spying on US citizens for 20+ years, in direct violation of the constitution. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/nsa-spying-exposed-by-snowden-was-illegal-and-not-very-useful-court-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/nsa-spying-expos... President Obama signed off on a drone strike on foreign soil targeting and killing a US citizen, in direct violation of the constitution depriving a citizen of a fair trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki We didn't collectively do anything about it then, except cheer it on or say nothing, so it will continue and expand until, and if, we do.
- klyrs 6y ago
  A few months later, Obama codified indefinite detention without trial. Some of us sounded the alarm, but it seems that politicians are still drunk on power post-9/11 and neither party is interested in the "rule of law" as set out by the constitution. https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/detention/indefinite-detention-endless-worldwide-war-and-2012-national https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/detention/inde...

by gowld 6y ago

mondoshawan 6y ago

The constitution is dead, and we the people, are left holding the bag.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

Hence why land within 100mi of the border is known as the US Constitution Free Zone. ref: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+constitution+free+zone https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+constitution+free+zone

heavyset_go 6y ago
Which also contains areas within 100 miles of the coasts, international airports, and other "ports of entry".

toss1 6y ago

Probably true, but good luck with that. As my grandfather said: "You might be right, but you don't want to be dead right." CBP already have extra authorities due to border control because crossing the border is not a constitutional right. The most egregious expansion was the declaration that all territory within 100 miles of the border is 'authorized' for all CBP's nonsense. That happens to cover about 90% of the US population. There is a lot of anguish about the intelligence agencies doing their jobs against very serious threats, including Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. Meanwhile the real damage to civil liberties is from the CBP and INS, who literally storm homes every day, and engage in this kind of 4th amendment trashing.

mssundaram 6y ago
I'm having trouble understanding how 100 miles from the border covers 90% of the US population? Edit: I see - I was thinking only in terms of e.g. the Arizona southern border, however looking up the Constitution Free Zone shows that it means the entire US - California, all states connected to Cananda etc. Eidt 2: Would this mean ALL of Hawaii is in this Constitution Free Zone?
- triceratops 6y ago
  Don't international airports count as "the border" too?
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    Yes, they're considered "ports of entry".
- toss1 6y ago
  Hawaii? yup, I'd expect that is a solid YES. I'm curious how much and how long it takes for this to drive migrants inland away from the border... and then how long it will take for them to make an excuse to make it 200mi...
- quickthrowman 6y ago
  It is all of the US land, sea, and lake (Great Lakes) borders.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  > Eidt 2: Would this mean ALL of Hawaii is in this Constitution Free Zone? And the entirety of a handful of states in the Northeast US, as well.
rsync 6y ago
" ... because crossing the border is not a constitutional right." Yes, it is. "In Nguyen v. INS (2001), on a separate matter of citizenship, the Supreme Court put down, in writing, that citizens of the US have the absolute right to enter its borders. It was in recent times more or less presumed to be the case, though historically there have been a wide range of decisions that did deny entry by citizens, mainly by denying the underlying citizenship. This right extends to lawful permanent residents, so long as they maintain their status."[1] [1] https://www.quora.com/Can-a-U-S-citizen-be-denied-entry-into-the-United-States https://www.quora.com/Can-a-U-S-citizen-be-denied-entry-into...

cronix 6y ago

NSA has been illegally spying on US citizens for 20+ years, in direct violation of the constitution. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/nsa-spying-exposed-by-snowden-was-illegal-and-not-very-useful-court-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/nsa-spying-expos... President Obama signed off on a drone strike on foreign soil targeting and killing a US citizen, in direct violation of the constitution depriving a citizen of a fair trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki We didn't collectively do anything about it then, except cheer it on or say nothing, so it will continue and expand until, and if, we do.

klyrs 6y ago
A few months later, Obama codified indefinite detention without trial. Some of us sounded the alarm, but it seems that politicians are still drunk on power post-9/11 and neither party is interested in the "rule of law" as set out by the constitution. https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/detention/indefinite-detention-endless-worldwide-war-and-2012-national https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/detention/inde...