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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/n29fxn/piano_teacher_gets_copyright_claim_for_playing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/n29fxn/piano_teache...

by ximeng 5y ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/n29fxn/piano_teacher_gets_copyright_claim_for_playing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/n29fxn/piano_teache... https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/n4a4l0/huge_history_channel_aquachigger_with_over_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/n4a4l0/huge_history... Even if not supported in the article here are two examples in the last couple of days of how YouTube is de facto defining copyright regulation.

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
These are examples of YouTube following copyright laws imperfectly, which is basically guaranteed to happen on a regular basis at their scale. Definitely not what I would consider YouTube redefining copyright.
- grecy 5y ago
  > These are examples of YouTube following copyright laws imperfectly, which is basically guaranteed to happen on a regular basis at their scale Given their entire copyright takedown system is (in)famously entirely automated, I would have thought it would be trivial for it to always follow copyright laws to the letter.. if they wanted it to.
  - jsight 5y ago
    How would that work? Infringement and even ownership are sometimes subjective or disputed. Automating it doesn't make those issues any easier.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
    If channel A uploads a video copied from channel B, then makes a copyright claim against channel B, how does an automated system determine which owns the rights? Certainly it would seem in most cases that we should presume channel B has the copyright, since they uploaded first. But there is a very economically important class of videos where infringers will tend to be the first to upload (movies, TV shows, etc.). I don't really see how an automated system solves this problem without making any mistakes. Especially because the law (DMCA) puts the onus on the service provider to take down or face liability.
  - toast0 5y ago
    It would be trivial to follow copyright laws to the letter if authorship and user identity were trivial and fair use exceptions were trivial to determine. None of those things are trivial, and that's before rights assignment. YouTube's system is built primarily to placate rightsholders and avoid human labor paid for by Google.

by ximeng 5y ago

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago

These are examples of YouTube following copyright laws imperfectly, which is basically guaranteed to happen on a regular basis at their scale. Definitely not what I would consider YouTube redefining copyright.

grecy 5y ago
> These are examples of YouTube following copyright laws imperfectly, which is basically guaranteed to happen on a regular basis at their scale Given their entire copyright takedown system is (in)famously entirely automated, I would have thought it would be trivial for it to always follow copyright laws to the letter.. if they wanted it to.
- jsight 5y ago
  How would that work? Infringement and even ownership are sometimes subjective or disputed. Automating it doesn't make those issues any easier.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  If channel A uploads a video copied from channel B, then makes a copyright claim against channel B, how does an automated system determine which owns the rights? Certainly it would seem in most cases that we should presume channel B has the copyright, since they uploaded first. But there is a very economically important class of videos where infringers will tend to be the first to upload (movies, TV shows, etc.). I don't really see how an automated system solves this problem without making any mistakes. Especially because the law (DMCA) puts the onus on the service provider to take down or face liability.
- toast0 5y ago
  It would be trivial to follow copyright laws to the letter if authorship and user identity were trivial and fair use exceptions were trivial to determine. None of those things are trivial, and that's before rights assignment. YouTube's system is built primarily to placate rightsholders and avoid human labor paid for by Google.