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I'm gladly going to remove all my ads on my page if you promise to give me money through GitHub Sponsors or something lol Money matters. Not everyone is rich t

by henvic 5y ago

I'm gladly going to remove all my ads on my page if you promise to give me money through GitHub Sponsors or something lol Money matters. Not everyone is rich to not care about that. In my case, what I make is still below what makes a difference in my life, but if I can multiply by 10 times it's going to make a lot of difference. * I promise my ads aren't that intrusive. lol

elliekelly 5y ago
They might not be visually intrusive but they are indeed very intrusive. If you went to the mall would you find it intrusive if Macy’s put a little beacon on your shoulder every time you walked in the door so they could follow you around and track your movement for the next few days? The beacon is small and unassuming and tasteful - you’ll hardly even notice it! Who cares? A stalker is a stalker no matter how nicely it blends with the aesthetic.
- henvic 5y ago
  If you're this worried about being tracked, you can always choose to turn off cookies, JavaScript, and maybe try the ToR browser. No problem with this either! If I placed a magnetic beacon holder in my arm, I sure wouldn't bother. That is the case with most browser users, unfortunately. If they aren't happy with that, they might consider switching browser vendors to ones that protect more their privacy. Awful as they might be, ads are part of society and a source of revenue (and information!) for many.
  - elliekelly 5y ago
    I do take steps to prevent internet stalking but I don’t find the “stalkers are part of society and need to earn a living, too” argument all that persuasive.
    - henvic 5y ago
      Guess what I find the 'remove all ads' arguments? Much less persuasive.
      - elliekelly 5y ago
        Then it’s a good thing I haven’t put forth such an argument! Advertisements aren’t what I take issue with - it’s the tracking that comes along with them that I find repugnant.
  - bassdropvroom 5y ago
    > If you're this worried about being tracked, you can always choose to turn off cookies, JavaScript, and maybe try the ToR browser. Half of the internet doesn't work without JavaScript these days, the rest barely works on TOR because of the likes of Cloudflare.
12ian34 5y ago
Ads aren't just intrusive, they're a manipulative dark pattern
- robbrown451 5y ago
  If you are going to call ads a "dark pattern", you might as well call capitalism a dark pattern. That's not say either are positive, but I think your terminology is extreme.
  - 12ian34 5y ago
    Going by the wiki[0], I absolutely stand by my comment that ads fit this description. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern
    - robbrown451 5y ago
      Many ads fit that description. Many don't. Characterizing ads in general as a dark pattern dilutes your message about the problematic ones, in my opinion. Some of them are just telling me about, say, a TV show or movie that is coming out. Nothing deceptive, nothing bothersome about it. I think it is quite a stretch to consider that the term "dark pattern" applies to that. I understand that ads that are targeted are bothersome to many due to privacy issues, but I personally don't mind that Amazon and Ebay regularly show me ads for skateboard/roller sport equipment, music keyboards and other midi controllers, shoes of styles I like, and so on. But you seem to be simply saying ALL ads, even untargeted, non deceptive ads such as for a movie or car or something are "dark patterns." I don't get that.
- Oddskar 5y ago
  I'm not the biggest fan of ads either, but "manipulative dark pattern"? Come on now.
bassdropvroom 5y ago
> I'm gladly going to remove all my ads on my page if you promise to give me money through GitHub Sponsors or something lol OP's product doesn't rely on goodwill of individuals though. You get the app for $9. Full stop. Not "please donate $9 but you don't have to if you don't feel like it".
- jsgo 5y ago
  OP's comment was for them to remove the $9 and go ad supported though.
  - bassdropvroom 5y ago
    That's right. Then when someone mentions they'd rather have a product that can be bought because ads and trackers are the devil, OP suggests they'll remove ads if they pinky promise to to sponsor. Buying a product is different from being a sponsor.
jen20 5y ago
It doesn't matter how unintrusive _your_ ads are - the shysters that make up most of the industry have poisoned the well, making _any_ ads unacceptable.
- henvic 5y ago
  Okay, but now how about you pay me and everyone else who uses ads to remove them?
  - jen20 5y ago
    If you provide a service I want, sure. I’m more than happy to pay for software and moderately happy to pay for subscriptions, but with it I expect ironclad guarantees about data being local, and absolutely no tracking.
    - henvic 5y ago
      Is this you? https://github.com/jen20 https://github.com/jen20 If so, maybe you want to use my https://github.com/henvic/httpretty https://github.com/henvic/httpretty Just give me, say, $300/month, and I'm taking out all ads from my website. Don't lose this unique opportunity :P
      - jen20 5y ago
        > Is this you? Yes > ... maybe you want to use my https://github.com/henvic/httpretty https://github.com/henvic/httpretty No, because I have a commercially licensed version of Proxie available, which is more flexible since it doesn’t require code modification, and (in my opinion) produces prettier output. Additionally, there is no incentive to buy httpretty since it is distributed under a permissive license - by using it, I would likely never see an ad (though I would, of course, carefully audit the code before adopting it to ensure it does not do anything underhand).

by henvic 5y ago

elliekelly 5y ago

They might not be visually intrusive but they are indeed very intrusive. If you went to the mall would you find it intrusive if Macy’s put a little beacon on your shoulder every time you walked in the door so they could follow you around and track your movement for the next few days? The beacon is small and unassuming and tasteful - you’ll hardly even notice it! Who cares? A stalker is a stalker no matter how nicely it blends with the aesthetic.

henvic 5y ago
If you're this worried about being tracked, you can always choose to turn off cookies, JavaScript, and maybe try the ToR browser. No problem with this either! If I placed a magnetic beacon holder in my arm, I sure wouldn't bother. That is the case with most browser users, unfortunately. If they aren't happy with that, they might consider switching browser vendors to ones that protect more their privacy. Awful as they might be, ads are part of society and a source of revenue (and information!) for many.
- elliekelly 5y ago
  I do take steps to prevent internet stalking but I don’t find the “stalkers are part of society and need to earn a living, too” argument all that persuasive.
  - henvic 5y ago
    Guess what I find the 'remove all ads' arguments? Much less persuasive.
    - elliekelly 5y ago
      Then it’s a good thing I haven’t put forth such an argument! Advertisements aren’t what I take issue with - it’s the tracking that comes along with them that I find repugnant.
- bassdropvroom 5y ago
  > If you're this worried about being tracked, you can always choose to turn off cookies, JavaScript, and maybe try the ToR browser. Half of the internet doesn't work without JavaScript these days, the rest barely works on TOR because of the likes of Cloudflare.

12ian34 5y ago

Ads aren't just intrusive, they're a manipulative dark pattern

robbrown451 5y ago
If you are going to call ads a "dark pattern", you might as well call capitalism a dark pattern. That's not say either are positive, but I think your terminology is extreme.
- 12ian34 5y ago
  Going by the wiki[0], I absolutely stand by my comment that ads fit this description. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern
  - robbrown451 5y ago
    Many ads fit that description. Many don't. Characterizing ads in general as a dark pattern dilutes your message about the problematic ones, in my opinion. Some of them are just telling me about, say, a TV show or movie that is coming out. Nothing deceptive, nothing bothersome about it. I think it is quite a stretch to consider that the term "dark pattern" applies to that. I understand that ads that are targeted are bothersome to many due to privacy issues, but I personally don't mind that Amazon and Ebay regularly show me ads for skateboard/roller sport equipment, music keyboards and other midi controllers, shoes of styles I like, and so on. But you seem to be simply saying ALL ads, even untargeted, non deceptive ads such as for a movie or car or something are "dark patterns." I don't get that.
Oddskar 5y ago
I'm not the biggest fan of ads either, but "manipulative dark pattern"? Come on now.

bassdropvroom 5y ago

> I'm gladly going to remove all my ads on my page if you promise to give me money through GitHub Sponsors or something lol OP's product doesn't rely on goodwill of individuals though. You get the app for $9. Full stop. Not "please donate $9 but you don't have to if you don't feel like it".

jsgo 5y ago
OP's comment was for them to remove the $9 and go ad supported though.
- bassdropvroom 5y ago
  That's right. Then when someone mentions they'd rather have a product that can be bought because ads and trackers are the devil, OP suggests they'll remove ads if they pinky promise to to sponsor. Buying a product is different from being a sponsor.

jen20 5y ago

It doesn't matter how unintrusive _your_ ads are - the shysters that make up most of the industry have poisoned the well, making _any_ ads unacceptable.

henvic 5y ago
Okay, but now how about you pay me and everyone else who uses ads to remove them?
- jen20 5y ago
  If you provide a service I want, sure. I’m more than happy to pay for software and moderately happy to pay for subscriptions, but with it I expect ironclad guarantees about data being local, and absolutely no tracking.
  - henvic 5y ago
    Is this you? https://github.com/jen20 https://github.com/jen20 If so, maybe you want to use my https://github.com/henvic/httpretty https://github.com/henvic/httpretty Just give me, say, $300/month, and I'm taking out all ads from my website. Don't lose this unique opportunity :P
    - jen20 5y ago
      > Is this you? Yes > ... maybe you want to use my https://github.com/henvic/httpretty https://github.com/henvic/httpretty No, because I have a commercially licensed version of Proxie available, which is more flexible since it doesn’t require code modification, and (in my opinion) produces prettier output. Additionally, there is no incentive to buy httpretty since it is distributed under a permissive license - by using it, I would likely never see an ad (though I would, of course, carefully audit the code before adopting it to ensure it does not do anything underhand).