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This is why I'm ok with Apple charging $99 for a distribution developer account.

by Ensorceled 6y ago

nathias 6y ago
google charges 20
- VLM 6y ago
  https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6112435 https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ... $25 and no prepaid cards
meibo 6y ago
You still see news of scams and spam on the App Store daily and you can easily buy already verified developer accounts in bulk online to participate in those scams, so it's clearly not working as "security". It's always been an ecosystem bribe.
- evgen 6y ago
  Since those accounts cost $99+ I would be surprised and demand proof if you suggested that they were available for less than list price. There are too many examples of a simple entry price being used successfully to limit spam and filter bad actors out of a community (or at least raising the bar to the point where the cost/benefit ratio is unattractive.) Got a source for the bulk verified apple developer accounts?
  - salawat 6y ago
    I wouldn't call SomethingAwful a success story, so where else did you have in mind? All tenbux did was raise the bar for minimum effort involved in shitposting, and add a thin veneer of elitism to the mix. Unless you're talking other places that shall not be named; in which case those have a very different kind of gatekeeping to be concerned about.
    - evgen 6y ago
      Worked for metafilter, and any fee that raises the bar for sock puppeting, shitposting and other such behaviors is a good thing. Elitist? So be it.
Aissen 6y ago
I'm sure you're ok with it, but it doesn't have the effect you think it has: https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/8/22272849/apple-app-store-scams-ios-fraud-reviews-ratings-flicktype https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/8/22272849/apple-app-store-s...
- criddell 6y ago
  The effect we think it has is to reduce the number of scams, not eliminate them.
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  - salawat 6y ago
    No, it just meams ypu select for people willing to run a scam sophisticated enough to recoup the developer fee, the ones who don't care and have money to burn anyway, and you shut out every aspiring app writer/contributor with a decent idea who is strapped for cash. Never, ever underestimate the determination of someone in need of a way to economically do nefarious things. Financial barriers are no barrier at all if you do it right. Tenbux is more for presenting a barrier to anyone without access to a digital payment medium than anything else.
    - criddell 6y ago
      > you select for people willing to run a scam sophisticated enough to recoup the developer fee And it filters the rest. > you shut out every aspiring app writer/contributor with a decent idea who is strapped for cash Lots of hobbies are expensive. There are plenty of avenues left for a cash strapped developer overflowing with ideas to explore.
      - Aissen 6y ago
        > And it filters the rest. If this is a goal, reduce the number of scams, then OK. If the goal is to reduce the percentage of people scammed or how much scammers extract from the platform, I'm not convinced those are met. And that's even before talking about the other sides of the tradeoff.
criddell 6y ago
Maybe they could create some type of verified developer program. The current fee would stand but there would be an additional fee to cover more in depth checks and for developers who pass the checks, they get a blue check mark. Only blue check mark accounts should be able to pay for promotion in the Play Store.
- Ensorceled 6y ago
  That's what the program essentially is, it's free to signup as a developer, $99 if you want to distribute and then they do a BSN check etc. to verify you. There is just isn't a "free and can distribute apps" tier. If you want to put an app in the store you need to get verified.

This is why I'm ok with Apple charging $99 for a distribution developer account.

nathias 6y ago

google charges 20

VLM 6y ago
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6112435 https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ... $25 and no prepaid cards

meibo 6y ago

You still see news of scams and spam on the App Store daily and you can easily buy already verified developer accounts in bulk online to participate in those scams, so it's clearly not working as "security". It's always been an ecosystem bribe.

evgen 6y ago
Since those accounts cost $99+ I would be surprised and demand proof if you suggested that they were available for less than list price. There are too many examples of a simple entry price being used successfully to limit spam and filter bad actors out of a community (or at least raising the bar to the point where the cost/benefit ratio is unattractive.) Got a source for the bulk verified apple developer accounts?
- salawat 6y ago
  I wouldn't call SomethingAwful a success story, so where else did you have in mind? All tenbux did was raise the bar for minimum effort involved in shitposting, and add a thin veneer of elitism to the mix. Unless you're talking other places that shall not be named; in which case those have a very different kind of gatekeeping to be concerned about.
  - evgen 6y ago
    Worked for metafilter, and any fee that raises the bar for sock puppeting, shitposting and other such behaviors is a good thing. Elitist? So be it.

Aissen 6y ago

I'm sure you're ok with it, but it doesn't have the effect you think it has: https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/8/22272849/apple-app-store-scams-ios-fraud-reviews-ratings-flicktype https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/8/22272849/apple-app-store-s...

criddell 6y ago
The effect we think it has is to reduce the number of scams, not eliminate them.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- salawat 6y ago
  No, it just meams ypu select for people willing to run a scam sophisticated enough to recoup the developer fee, the ones who don't care and have money to burn anyway, and you shut out every aspiring app writer/contributor with a decent idea who is strapped for cash. Never, ever underestimate the determination of someone in need of a way to economically do nefarious things. Financial barriers are no barrier at all if you do it right. Tenbux is more for presenting a barrier to anyone without access to a digital payment medium than anything else.
  - criddell 6y ago
    > you select for people willing to run a scam sophisticated enough to recoup the developer fee And it filters the rest. > you shut out every aspiring app writer/contributor with a decent idea who is strapped for cash Lots of hobbies are expensive. There are plenty of avenues left for a cash strapped developer overflowing with ideas to explore.
    - Aissen 6y ago
      > And it filters the rest. If this is a goal, reduce the number of scams, then OK. If the goal is to reduce the percentage of people scammed or how much scammers extract from the platform, I'm not convinced those are met. And that's even before talking about the other sides of the tradeoff.

criddell 6y ago

Maybe they could create some type of verified developer program. The current fee would stand but there would be an additional fee to cover more in depth checks and for developers who pass the checks, they get a blue check mark. Only blue check mark accounts should be able to pay for promotion in the Play Store.

Ensorceled 6y ago
That's what the program essentially is, it's free to signup as a developer, $99 if you want to distribute and then they do a BSN check etc. to verify you. There is just isn't a "free and can distribute apps" tier. If you want to put an app in the store you need to get verified.