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Over 10% of US population is estimated to be undocumented. I don't believe these census numbers are accurate at all, we are doing fine in terms of importing you

Over 10% of US population is estimated to be undocumented. I don't believe these census numbers are accurate at all, we are doing fine in terms of importing young population.

minikites 6y ago
>Over 10% of US population is estimated to be undocumented. Not even close, it's closer to 3-4%: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/immigration-statistics/Pop_Estimate/UnauthImmigrant/unauthorized_immigrant_population_estimates_2015_-_2018.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/immigra... https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-many-undocumented-immigrants-are-in-the-united-states-and-who-are-they/ https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-many-und... https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/2020-how-many-illegal-aliens-us https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/2020-how-ma... https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/ https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauth... I have a hunch that any source putting it at >10% is attempting to stoke the same nativist sentiment and rhetoric I mentioned in my parent comment.
- jollybean 6y ago
  I guess 3.5% is not 'close' to 10% but it's still a very material number, and 'very unhealthy' in terms of managing civil and social infrastructure. 'Undocumented' is just an upside down way of saying 'dirty cheap labour with no rights' which is possibly the greatest guarantee of inequality etc.. They need to be on the books one way or another the issue has to be sorted out.
ed25519FUUU 6y ago
Census counts everyone, included non citizens, regardless of citizenship. That’s why there was controversy adding a “are you a US citizen?” to the questionnaire.
- dominotw 6y ago
  > Census counts everyone Census doesn't count. People count themselves in census.
  - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
    Can you help me understand your distinction?

Over 10% of US population is estimated to be undocumented. I don't believe these census numbers are accurate at all, we are doing fine in terms of importing young population.

minikites 6y ago

>Over 10% of US population is estimated to be undocumented. Not even close, it's closer to 3-4%: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/immigration-statistics/Pop_Estimate/UnauthImmigrant/unauthorized_immigrant_population_estimates_2015_-_2018.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/immigra... https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-many-undocumented-immigrants-are-in-the-united-states-and-who-are-they/ https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-many-und... https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/2020-how-many-illegal-aliens-us https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/2020-how-ma... https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/ https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauth... I have a hunch that any source putting it at >10% is attempting to stoke the same nativist sentiment and rhetoric I mentioned in my parent comment.

jollybean 6y ago
I guess 3.5% is not 'close' to 10% but it's still a very material number, and 'very unhealthy' in terms of managing civil and social infrastructure. 'Undocumented' is just an upside down way of saying 'dirty cheap labour with no rights' which is possibly the greatest guarantee of inequality etc.. They need to be on the books one way or another the issue has to be sorted out.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago

Census counts everyone, included non citizens, regardless of citizenship. That’s why there was controversy adding a “are you a US citizen?” to the questionnaire.

dominotw 6y ago
> Census counts everyone Census doesn't count. People count themselves in census.
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago
  Can you help me understand your distinction?