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> Healthy kids are a value to society Kids have a massive carbon footprint and are probably the worst thing the average person in a first world country can do
by paulcole 6y ago
> Healthy kids are a value to society
Kids have a massive carbon footprint and are probably the worst thing the average person in a first world country can do to the environment.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Kids have a massive carbon footprint and are probably the worst thing a person in the first world can do to the environment. This is true in exactly the same broken sense of value “to the environment” that mass murder (especially of the young and rich) is the best thing one can do to the environment.
- aklemm 6y agoYeah, see, there’s a shocking proliferation of really misguided ideas on this topic. It’s fascinating.
- paulcole 6y agoI don’t think that’s what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that a new kid is not a no-brainer net gain for society. There is clearly an environmental cost to adding more high-consuming people to the planet. See: the planet. I never said that killing people is good for the environment. While (possibly) technically true, it’s not an argument I’m making. My argument: Cars are bad for the environment, so maybe ride a bike. Your attempt to twist my argument: You said cars are bad for the environment so you are saying to destroy all cars.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> I’m saying that a new kid is not a no-brainer net gain for society There’s a pretty big excluded middle between “no-brainer net gain for society” and “he worst thing a person in the first world can do to the environment”. If you just mean not the former, don’t actually write the latter. > I never said that killing people is good for the environment. Nor did I say you did. What I did say is that what you did say is only even arguably true from the same perspective under which killing people is the best thing you can do for the environment. Because, it is.
- paulcole 6y agoNo, you’re right. I did mean that having a biological kid is the worst thing a person in the first world can do to the environment. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t intentionally making a ridiculous trolly argument as a reply. I guess I was wrong.
- fulafel 6y agoThis is of course a pretty troll-y argument. Mass murder is massively wrong and unethical, procreation choices are at worst arguably defensible. (Unless you're a religious fanatic of the contraception=murder variety...)
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