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Language like "defected" seems inappropriate. What loyalty does an employee owe beyond doing the work that you are paid for and not stealing or violating norms
by ALittleLight 6y ago
Language like "defected" seems inappropriate. What loyalty does an employee owe beyond doing the work that you are paid for and not stealing or violating norms or ethics? "Defecting" implies there is some loyalty owed or betrayal happening.
- qPM9l3XJrF 6y agoI'm tired of everyone being obsessed with terminology. Maybe it's just a colorful turn of phrase eh?
- xwolfi 6y agoThat's what make the title more exciting for humans. People still seeing life as a set of interesting stories, it's more attractive to write otherwise boring trivia as such. It's like a financial newspaper writing about bulls struggling to beat the bears, while obviously no one wants to pay higher prices or selling at lower prices: nobody is winning or losing, it's just people buying or selling along demand and offer lines, quite chaotically. But, seeing the market as a permanent war between bulls (who would want to buy at higher prices for some reason) and bears (who would want to sell low) makes for an amusing entertainment in an otherwise bland day.
- zaptidizap 6y agoI would have gone with the more tastefull dr Frankenstein running from his monster analogy.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoI subscribe to the FT and that’s not my impression of their writing at all. Financial news is like Facebook: if it’s free then you’re the product.
- hervature 6y agoAgreed. It also implies that the original "state" thinks it is illegitimate. Like immigrating between countries is fine. Becoming a diplomat, moving countries, and permanently leaving the embassy is more of a defection.
- willcipriano 6y agoSee also "poached" as if employees are a boar, living on the kings land getting fat for his ultimate consumption.
- jayd16 6y agoI always felt that poaching was meant to say more about the poacher than the poached. Rare species in the wild are poached, after all.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago> What loyalty does an employee owe beyond doing the work that you are paid for and not stealing or violating norms or ethics? Weirdly, I do feel some sense of loyalty to some companies and brands - usually stemming from a positive childhood experience. This extends to my first employer: Microsoft. Even though I haven’t worked there for 5 years I still feel as though I owe them for launching my career (making connections, great resume material, etc) and because (all things considered) I think they treated me right - that’s got to be worth something, surely?
- chmod775 6y agoYou only owe them if they didn't get their money's worth.
- bashinator 6y agoI didn’t realize gratitude was a fungible commodity.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoCheck your employment contract. Every company I've ever worked-for (including msft) all had the "The value of the company's goodwill is $0.00 USD" in it somewhere. ...insofar as gratitude and goodwill are interchangeable. Hmm, I wonder what the exchange-rate is...
- ALittleLight 6y agoI would say that your moral obligation is to speak well of Microsoft when you speak of them - as they treated you well it would be wrong for you to disparage them. You don't have any obligation to work for Microsoft longer than you want to though.
- dnautics 6y agoI would consider it a standard of politeness... but is that a moral obligation? What if you were treated very well but quit because you didn't like some of their... secure datacenters? Given that sort of a conflict can occur, exactly where does this moral obligation stem from?
- cma 6y ago"Poaching" is the most egregious and telling.
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- xbar 6y agoThank you. I could not agree more strongly. I am loyal to myself as an employee unless my equity is so significant that I am required to consider myself an owner.
- kumarvvr 6y agoTotally agree. No company will think twice of their employees before terminating their employment, inspite of all the "family" talk.
- systemvoltage 6y agoThis irks me more than anything. Why should the employee give 2 weeks notice but the employer can unemploy you between 11am and noon? I know it’s professional. So, let’s do the professional thing - give me 2 weeks of notice or 2 weeks of pay if you’re concerned about security. There are all kinds of asymmetries. 55 mins to interview the candidate, btw do you have any questions for us? You’ve got 5 mins.
- kumarvvr 6y agoOne justification for companies to do this, is to ensure the employee doesn't damage the company property or reputation. An employee told 2 weeks in advance that he will be sacked is a dangerous mind. What i never understand though, is companies forcing employees to train their replacements, after which they are fired. Perhaps companies ought to publicize their employees records or performance, if only limited to qualitative ones, so that during quit time, employees are not blackmailed for getting a good record of employment.
- astatine 6y agoIndeed. To complete the picture, Apple gave asylum. And Google denounced the employee as a traitor and recalled their ambassador to Apple. /s
- vmception 6y agoArea man updates his LinkedIn, more at 11